[Closed] Would you buy a (stout) carbon 456 frame with chain suck?

Yes. Mine has a similar gauge (caused by me fitting a 113mm axle BB by mistake), over a year old, hasn't snapped, worsened, done anything. Use it as a bargaining tool, that and the fact it's red should get you a good price!

yes. I assume it's heavily discounted? If you don't want it, can you point me in the direction of the seller please?

it's heavily discounted

yep, should be good IMO (not worth much mind you)

But a new ones £299 with warrenty............

Yeah that's fine. (from the photo looks just like paint)

I bought one that was much worse than that and had it coated in some sort of resin at a car bodywork shop.

I'd buy that, it's not too bad. Not much more than £150 though....

Singlespeed_Shep- there is an arc'ing gouge in there (from what I can see?)

a metal frame with that much scraping would probably be a a higher risk. Should be fine but yes, with the new frames currently £299 it is a very good bargaining point.

I'd buy that, it's not too bad. Not much more than £150 though....

Sounds about right, especially if you need to buy a new headset. It was so much easier and cheaper when any headset fitted any frame. Old one from the shed, or less than £20 form ebay for a new XLII- now it's bloody £45 for an entrylevelish job from on-one.

Whats the correct headset (sizing) for the c456? I know hope do one but which is the correct size to chose?)

there are other headset options - eg FSA ones or the Superstar one which is lighter (possibly not as well sealed) but comes with both crown races and spares are easy to get and cheap. Or I'd be tempted to go with a hope one if I was building one again for the better sealing but that is the most expensive option.

Top is zerostack/semi integrated 44mm ID. You can also use an external cup new style 44mm standard which is the solution for tapered rockshox forks on a 16" frame.

Bottom is normal 1.5 spec with external cup - internal type will throw the geometry off.

Thats alien to me! Confused 😐

hora I got;

1 HOPE Bottom Headset Cup Complete 2011 CUP D (1.5inch £ 30.00
Traditional to 1 1/8inch Stepdown)
1 HOPE Top Headset Cup Complete 2011 CUP 2 (1 1/8inch £ 30.00
Integral/Zerostack)

from 18bikes. I went for the external bottom cup which is stepped down for a 1/8" steerer - you'd need a replacement if you ever went 1.5 fork but it's the right one for the frame.

[url= http://www.carboncyclerepairs.co.uk/index.html ]Carbon Fixers[/url]

The frame I had the gouge went through a couple of layers of carbon. Must be my eyesight on the photo, does it go deep into the carbon? Have you seen it in person?

yeah the hope route requires a new bottom cup.

The other types just use a cup and bearing for a 1.5" fork and a reducer crown race.

I think there's a far more valid question here. In fact there are a few.

1. New Frame? Didn't you buy one two weeks ago?
2. Is the Turner for sale then?
3. Is a C456 the same geometry as normal 456? Remember - the one you hated? The one that lasted a week or so before being sold?
4. Have you ever heard the saying "the definition of madness is to repeat the same exercise and expect a different result" ?
5. Have you actually owned that many frames that you now can't even remember which ones you've had?
6. Of the ones you do remember, could you pick out any positive attributes of any particular one?
7. Or negative ones for that matter? Do they just all blur into one homogeneous mass of expensive alloy and carbon?
8. Are you aware of what a goldfish-memoried, benny-hill-alike, planet-headed, pasty-footed gimp this constant... what shall we call it... bike tourettes makes you look like? And the subsequent contemptuous disdain in which everyone who meets you now holds you in as a result?

You goggle-eyed spaz!

1. New Frame? Err yes. Why not I only own one bike. Why not own more?

2. Is the Turner for sale then? No but I fancy a hardtail.

3. A is a C456 the same geometry as normal 456? No I hated the noodley ti456 18" but loved the 16" steel.

(Gave up after that).

16" farme? 16"?!!! Are you aware of your actual height? DO you think you're only ickle, just because your head is so disproportionately massive

Anyway... answer the rest of the questions you balloon-headed spod

May be worth fitting one of [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/k-edge-dirt-acs-chain-device/ ]these?[/url]

to make sure the chain suck doesn't get any worst

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Isn't hora about 6'5" or something?

I have a 440mmm blackspire seatpost that may be of use.

So, 2 inch difference on a seat tube is a massive difference? Its reach my dear.

2 inches is massive only when mrsBinners undoes your corset 😯

I'd probably go for a single chainring up front if I converted my c456 to gears - there's not a lot of clearance.

wwaswas I'm 6ft1 with a 33inside.

I wish i had just gone 1x10 when I built mine.

As for the ACS - I did hear it doesnt fit the C456 very well but would like to try for myself.

I'm 6ft1 with a 33inside

The inside of his head measures 33" in diameter.

hora - same as me, then - I prefer the 18", I must say, but it does have a fairly long toptube. I guess if I wanted somethign a bit more 'chuckable' then a shorter TT woudl help. Might be a pain to pedal too far though.

Don't buy it

456+CHAINSUCK......................SITUATION NORMAL THEN

I'm 6'2" ride a 20" c456, would get an 18" if it was more for chucking around than getting the miles in, 16" would be a bit cramped i reckon.

And yes I'd buy that.

Heres my gurning 33inch head riding my old 16" 456 8)

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Nice frontal photo there.

Binners, I asked him the same question yesterday about 456's. I also pointed out that he is too tall for a 16" frame. He doesn't listen.

I quite often get his mongoloid emails asking about various bikes / components and after taking the piss for a bit, I try and give him advice. If he doesn't like what I say, he invariably starts a thread up on here and asks the same question, usually receiving the same answers. Not liking those either, he ignores everyone and buys / does what he thinks is correct, usually with the result that he hates whatever it is.

Hora, you will buy that 456C despite what everyone says, and you will most likely build it up with forks that are too long for it. You will tell yourself that it is a 'BEAUTY' but on the first ride out, you will find it too twitchy / steep / slack / rigid / flexy / dead / red / noisy / quiet, and it will appear on here in the Classifieds (along with your Turner, I imagine). I await a request for a Medium Mk2 Chameleon frame to appear in the next 2 months, and I doubt I will be disappointed.

And no, I will never sell you mine.

Oh, and as for your fashion 'sense', am I right in thinking that Lisa works in fashion? Does she tell you what's 'cool'?

Good heels down there Hora, you almost look like you know what you're doing

Thinking of getting a proper roadbike as well.

Stopa, don't you fancy a Surrey Hills ride soon? I miss it 🙁

Stopadoodledoo - Its like Goundhog day, isn't it?

Now that he's decided to run 2 bikes - a full-suss and a hardtail, we can expect the Turner and the 456 to be sold, to be replaced by a Chameleon and a Blur 4X. Its so achingly predictable its not even funny.

And I like him buying frames that are too small for him. It means they're the right size for me when he tires of them - usually after a week

[i]Thinking of getting a proper roadbike as well[/i]

again?

I'll be riding in the Surrey hills this weekend Hora, followed next weekend by either the WDMBA DH race at Rheola, or the Lakes. You're welcome to come along; you'd love Rheola, especially on that piece of plastic red shit you are thinking of buying.

Weekend after this one it looks like I'll be rolling down a straightish path through a quarry called Pindale because others say Cavedale is 'not much fun'... 😆

Lakes would be more fun

OI! Spaz-tard! Fancy an early doors ride Saturday morning? I've got stuff on in't afternoon, so need to be back early. That suits your normal itinery doesn't it?

Its so I can see the Turner before its sold. See if its worth making an offer 😉

binners yes- I can do stupid early. Would you go over to Hebden?

Well come to the Lakes then - Keensy will be out on the Sunday

Aye - I'll email you. Hebdon would be good. Not ridden there for a while.

Could do both pootle and lakes. I'm going for the plastic bike.. Just to annoy you Jason 😉

You do that Hora. Let's see who is the annoyed one when it snaps in two on the chainstays, miles from anywhere, and Keensy and I are a mile in front of you, and it's raining.

Still, it can't be any worse than that shonky 5 Spot you bought, can it? Have you learned how to ride that one yet, or is it all 'wrong'?