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If an overtaking manouever is dependant on the extra second or two needed to pass a 40 feet line rather than 20 then you'd be a tool for trying it.
So you are telling me you can overtake 40 bike as fast as you can overtake 20, wow I am so impress.
Guys come on on here. We have someone that can bend rules of physics 😀
And yes sometimes you can overtake 20 ****ing roadies, but not 40 it has to do with the safe amount of road available (not the safe here). So if you have 2 groups of ten with a 5-6 m gap in between you can hop the first one safely get behind the second one and to it again. Rather than just being stuck behing them for several hours.
So, you have to leave here and go somewhere abroad where the attitude and tolerance to cyclists is a world apart.
Well I don't live in the UK. So problem sorted. Or maybe they could start the races at 6 rather than 9, but you're going to tell me that poor poor roadies need to sleep?
Because obviously delaying several dozens of cars for a couple of hours is perfectly acceptable if it happen to able neighbourhood champions to race between themselves.
If an overtaking manouever is dependant on the extra second or two needed to pass a 40 feet line rather than 20 then you'd be a tool for trying it.So you are telling me you can overtake 40 bike as fast as you can overtake 20, wow I am so impress.
Guys come on on here. We have someone that can bend rules of physics
It's not physics you need to review, it's English. Read it again, I said if you need the extra seconds needed to over take the longer line, then you shouldn't be attempting the manouever in the first place. There should be time to pass wide, safe and pull back in well ahead of the line. If you're calculating your overtaking in fractions of seconds then you are, as earlier alluded to, a tool
Well I don't live in the UK.
That gives me some comfort. Thanks
Amen to that
juan is in France.
You know, the place where they haven't produced a champion of their own grand tour for 25 years.
FFS, juan, I know you are a reactionary fool on occasion, but your "MTBing is wonderful; road riding deserves death" schtick is wearing thin, even for on here.
Pack of roadies pah, scum the lot of them. Ask people who have been delay more than 2 hours for a bloody local race on a open road their feeling about it.
Juan, have you lost, or never had the ability to use a road atlas or even Sat Nav to seek an alternative route? I'm sure there's more than just one direct road to each location in France!!
I'm sure there's more than just one direct road to each location in France!!
Well not when you're going up valley de la tinée... Or you are making such a detour it will take you at least one and half hour more.
It's not physics you need to review, it's English. Read it again, I said if you need the extra seconds needed to over take the longer line, then you shouldn't be attempting the manouever in the first place.
Well sorry but I quite not follow you. Seconds are ok to overtake If I read you correctly. Overtaking half the ****ing peloton should take me about half the time. So I should be able to do it safely, pull back in the gap a second or two before the end of visibility and jump the other half again.
Or am I a tool? Because obviously, you ALWAYS overtake with at least a minute of visibility.
You know, the place where they haven't produced a champion of their own grand tour for 25 years.
Nope too busy producing MTBing and tracks champions. Like it or not roadies have no respect for other road users. Have you actually tried to stay behind a roady until you have clear view for overtaking? Well after more than 20 second the fricking lycra brigade starts shouting because you don't follow their signs to overtake them...
Or am I a tool?
You answered your own question later in the post
100!
It's no wonder Juan finds all the froggy roadies impossible to overtake - they must take up half the road even when riding singlefile!
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If you're delayed for more than two hours and an alternative route will take you one and a half hours then you'll gain half an hour anyway. Everyones a winner. 😉
Again the only solution here is greater tolerance on both the part of the car driver and also the odd inconsiderate cyclist. Juan areyou helping or exacerbating the problem?
Like it or not roadies have no respect for other road users.
I know jumping red lights, parking outside schools on the zig zag area, breaking the speed limits, overtaking on blind bends, loud music blaring from their souped up and lowered steeds the list is endless.... not like those safe law abiding cars driver the French [and British]are renowned the world over for 😯
I like the way coogan keeps trolling despite the fact no one has bitten
Riding single file is for triathletes. You can't talk to each other single file.
Yeah and I suppose for drivers having to stop to chat on your mobile is inconvenient too 🙄
Roadies are sadists. Why try to explain their actions?
Triathletes aren't allowed to ride singlefile - that's drafting - they have to ride 2 abreast to avoid penalties 😉
[i]Roadies are sadists[/i]
Meaning masochists, yeah?
Same thing....they like pain not terrain
Oh dear - Why can't roadies and MTB's live in harmony - I don't care really. Some roadies are Knobs and some MTB'rs are knobs (maybe I am I don't know) but I like to ride both - I don't shave my legs as I have a 5 o'clock shadow most of the time so can't be arsed but I think most people on here who are complaingin about "defensive" riding don't do a lot of road riding and are purely seeing it from the car drivers view.
I say why don't a lot of you on the other side of the argument do a load of road riding/commuting and then you can then have a leg to stand on rather than procrastinating about others "holding up" car drivers.
Overgeneralisation is also the basis for racist beliefs and prejudices - a person will infer an attribute to be common to all members of a group based on knowledge of only a small sample size of that group. For example, the belief that a given person who is Jewish will be a greedy, nit-picky, stingy miser or the belief because a person is black, (s)he will be loud, poor, and criminal. This includes positive racist ideologies as well, such as the belief that Asians are better off academically than other racial sectors
**** me!
Have I stumbled into pistonheads by mistake.
Yes roadies riding two abreast are a bit annoying but so are tractors, caravans and pensioners in Honda Jazz's. And cyclists are a lot easier to overtake. In fact if you follow them at a reasonable distance for any length of time most of them will signal you when its safe to overtake.
I commute most days and really hope I don't meet some of you on my way to work
riding bikes two abreast is generally ok.
I find the attitudes on here unbelievable sometimes. So many STWers worship the great god car and have so little consideration for bikes on the road. Its clear a lot of you are car drivers and occasional cyclists only
+1 well said!
Sorry, I must have the wrong forum, I thought this was Singletrackworld NOT pistonheads!
Nah, STW has always had its fair share of c0cks 😉
Wow Ive been living in a world for the past five decades where this isnt an issue. Do you Google How to overtake a cyclist on your i phones as you approach one?
No need. I have an app for that.
On a lighter note, can you wheelie a road bike? I'd like to see that.
He can:
Robbie McEwan - ex BMXer and TdF green jersey winner - wheelies at the top of the big mountains too...
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So if you have 2 groups of ten with a 5-6 m gap in between you can hop the first one safely get behind the second one and to it again.
are you on crack Juan?
Hilarious thread. Is anyone really taking the pistonhead trollers seriously? They must be cyclists enjoying winding people up or Clarkson's sent us a few trolls over. I HATE riding on the road and only ever do so if it's to link a route or cross it (unless the mud is too deep to pedal through in our local woods and I need to rdie my bike)
It seems a more than tiny percentage of car drivers are blind, self opinionated, selfish co*ks who need to learn to consider others. And people cazy enough to share the roads with these nutters? Roadies are mad!
Out of interest, in the narrow definition of roadies, where do the less narrowminded ones amongst us who like riding bikes both on and off road fit? Do we change categorisation as we switch between disciplines and what happens if we take our mtbs onto the road or visa versa (done...)
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In fact if you follow them at a reasonable distance for any length of time most of them will signal you when its safe to overtake.
Well see, that is something I never do. Overtaking without seeing what is going on. Plus I commute buy bike. As I said the commuter is a real cyclist, the ponce on a 5k carbon exotica that only goes on the road on the saturday morning (not too early because the poor little thing can't sleep otherwise) is not.
As I said the commuter is a real cyclist, the ponce on a 5k carbon exotica that only goes on the road on the saturday morning (not too early because the poor little thing can't sleep otherwise) is not.
You don't know anything about these 'ponces', or how much they ride or don't ride.
the ponce on a 5k carbon exotica that only goes on the road on the saturday morning (not too early because the poor little thing can't sleep otherwise) is not.
Wonderful. So, to be fit enough to race on the road in France, one only has to spend a wedge on a bike and ride it once a week. Damn site easier than over here, then.
You were complaining about closed road racing, weren't you, [s]troll[/s] juan?
Oh I don't know
You were complaining about closed road racing, weren't you, troll juan?
No I was not I was complaining on racing on open road, where the ****ers don't let you over take them. We all agree that we would have preferred the road to be officially closed buy plods and all, rather than suffer idiots that can't get the concept of open road.
As I said the commuter is a real cyclist, the ponce on a 5k carbon exotica that only goes on the road on the saturday morning (not too early because the poor little thing can't sleep otherwise) is not.
Troll surely? I know someone who comutes 1 mile round trip on their bike every day. They were dead after a 5 mile ride with me and we had only just reached the first hill 😯
Not sure what a real cyclists is but plenty on here are not it. Plenty on here are sad obsessive bike collectors , plenty are obsessive cycling bores..I may be guilty on both counts.
juan - wave the white flag, don't worry, it will come naturally
Sorry. Did I stereotype you there?
I don't understand why people are automatically branded as pistonhead trollers if they don't agree with cyclists riding 2 or 3 abreast and blocking other road users
If you are on the road you should respect each other, regardless of whether you are on a bike, a motorbike, a scooter, a car or a horse
Indeed. There's no your side of the road - my side of the road, just drive to the conditions of the road.
Surely the biggest, probably daily hold up for cars is other cars i.e traffic. A few encountered cyclists once and a while pales into insignificance compared to other cars.
A few encountered cyclists once and a while pales into insignificance compared to other cars.
I don't get the whole anti roadie thing?? Are people actually that impatient?? If you need to be somewhere at a certain time, set off earlier. It's hardly rocket science is it???
If you are on the road you should respect each other, regardless of whether you are on a bike, a motorbike, a scooter, a car or a horse
You seem to think we have not tried this then had a car overtake dangerously pull into the middle of the group overtake a few more then pull in and repeat. Problem is some drivers will overtake with no regard for the cyclsits safety [ any oncoming traffic and they will just plough into the cyclist]. As we dont know which is which we have to ride like that to protect ourselves from idiots. When it is safe [in the cyclists opinion] they get waved through, generally.
The lack of respect is self preservation caused by motorists impatience.
Every commuter has been beeped and buzzed by a car on a road only to overtake them 2 minutes later when they are stuck in traffic anyway.
Sadly many of these comments , on a cycling forum, show some real ignorance of actually riding a bike on the roads.
As I said I ride to minimise the chances of me being runover if that annoys a few cars that is a shame but the only way I will change is if I can trust all cars to drive responsibly/respectfully. Does anyone really think that will happen?
I know I'm opening another can of worms now, but I just don't understand this
Was driving over to Glossop today and there is a road race going on. All the cyclists were riding courteously.
On the way back though I was stuck behind a guy who was riding in the middle of the road, not in a pack or anything, alone, just blocking anyone getting past him. At some points he was touching the white lines. As far as I could tell he was just following the racing line and straightening out any bends in the road. All well and good on the Tour De France, but on a public road on a saturday? I just don't understand it, its ignorant and dangerous for everyone involved
I'm not trying to start the whole bikes v cars thing again as that's just boring, nothing to do with that, its more about not acting like you own the road and screw everyone else