It’s not for me;
- Shimano motor
- Price
- I had a Trek Powerfly that looked like that back in 2018 and I had to pretend it didn’t bother me even though external batteries were the norm.
- Shitmano motor.
- Price
We can take about made in the UK or talk about the higher price of the frame materials, but it's still £11,000.
When a grand less gets you this with the new Bosch Performance CX motor, it seems even more bonkers
I can’t help but think that relying on a Shimano system seems to now be a bad call. Bosch and Avinox seem to be running away in the motor stakes.
With the small scale production and the need for an external standalone battery/full power motor your options are probably limited to Shimano.
Are they smaller scale than Orange these days? I have no idea but they managed to start with Shimano, move on to Bosch and are about to release an Avinox powered bike all within 3 years or so. I get that Orange build frames in house but wasn't one of the reasons given by Cotic for UK production that it meant they could change frame details quickly?
I hadn't meant to comment on this thread again but while sat in traffic yesterday an old lad on some shopper type bike ambled past with a similar looking battery. It might make me vain but that alone would put me off the Cotic as it currently stands.
Of the current crop, it very much looks like the DJI Avinox motor is the one that would attract a small frame builder. For a start, they are allowing frame builders to sell 'frame only', unlike the Shimano Etc.
Bloke that bangs on about ease of maintenance puts in the worst motor for maintenance. Pass
I can’t help but think that relying on a Shimano system seems to now be a bad call. Bosch and Avinox seem to be running away in the motor stakes.
With the small scale production and the need for an external standalone battery/full power motor your options are probably limited to Shimano.
Are they smaller scale than Orange these days? I have no idea but they managed to start with Shimano, move on to Bosch and are about to release an Avinox powered bike all within 3 years or so. I get that Orange build frames in house but wasn't one of the reasons given by Cotic for UK production that it meant they could change frame details quickly?
I hadn't meant to comment on this thread again but while sat in traffic yesterday an old lad on some shopper type bike ambled past with a similar looking battery. It might make me vain but that alone would put me off the Cotic as it currently stands.
I probably should have emphasised the external battery bit. All of the 'better' options that Orange use are internal systems. Does anyone apart from Shimano make a full power motor that uses an external battery, would getting one made by/for Cotic be feasible?
Not sure what the MOQ is for Mahle but their M40 mid drive is brilliant and may be an option for lower volume builders.
It must be a nightmare for small/small mid sized brands though.
It is. The conspiracist might suggest that making carbon and motors into must-haves is the big brand's way of squeezing out the small brands. As I've said on repeat, MTB is becoming a powered sport and that makes it difficult for low volume brands, plus the fashion aspect that biases everything toward a certain look.
Yeah DJI seem to be going with brands nobody has ever heard of, as well as Orange. They must be prepared to work with small volumes.
It's the battery casing that looks off to most of us I think and that's something that can be changed
So you're saying put a box around it? Maybe saying "Pies in transit"?
So you're saying put a box around it? Maybe saying "Pies in transit"?
Sold. 🙂
There's other batteries that fit the Shimano pattern but to offer as OEM options you're into more testing so it gets expensive. Buying AM isn't likely for most owners either. But it's an option for a brand to work with, maybe.
Once I've strapped a frame bag, a water bottle, a pump, a saddle bag, a big mudguard etc to it, does the battery really matter.
I get the comparisons to early ebikes but they mostly had an external battery attempting to look integrated so it was an awkward halfway house. Although this looks a bit more takeaway delivery driver, the battery is clearly attached to a very nice and well proportioned bike.
The price argument I totally get, it would need to be significantly lower for me to consider it but I do like the frame only option
I like this. It's the battery casing that looks off to most of us I think and that's something that can be changed, the real benefit of a bike with non-prorietary parts.
It'll be interesting to hear what the Scottish-made Intradrive motor is like when fitted to one of these, it uses Shimano motor bolt pattern and there are other batteries that will fit.
Anyone else frustrated at the lack of info from Intradrive ? I know they are a startup so wont have a huge marketing budget but a few sentences every few weeks would be good. @jameso , do you have any industry insider knowledge ?
