Possible stupid question alert - are 4iiii for road vs MTB different?
£300 for single sided pedal option would be a milestone.
You'd just have people complaining that they weren't 200 quid a pedal 🙂
Do 4iiii do mtb yet? Only seen them on road cranks.
You can get the 4iiii Precision on XT or XTR crank arms.
Sweamrs has a 4iiii on her 105 cranks for road and also on her XT mtb cranks. They look the same as far as I can tell. They are down the road from me in Cochrane (Canada) so both times I just took the crank in for them to install. I think they are pretty limited though on the mtb side for crank compatibility. (High end Shimano only).
Possible stupid question alert - are 4iiii for road vs MTB different?
yes
you cannot use a road non drive on a mtb crankset, hits the chain stay, i posted pics of a stages road on my mtb once, didn't clear the chainstay
More stages woes. Two Ultegra G2’s both warranty replacements. Massive over reading off zero offset on one and low offset on street other. Both resulting in power drops & wildly fluctuating readings either 30/40watts under or over.
Starting to think it could be a UK based use as one of them was absolutely no probs in the alps over summer, perfect calibration reading and great battery life come back to the uk and off we go again with same probs.
I thought hey had fixed it with G2s thinking rather have G1s with piss poor battery life than the problems I’ve had with power drop outs on G2s
And by contrast, I've just checked my powerpod against bike calculator for our winter loop on my fixed wheel. Powerpod says 222 watts, vs. 219 predicted. Pretty happy with that. As I've said before, on the fixed wheel and TT bike, the readings are reliable and reproducible.
Our club champs on Saturday produced a threshold FTP effort. Basically an hour in a breakaway of three. Powercal says 260 watts for an average heart rate of 170. IT Isa bit low at the extremes. But a rough average
Bit of a PSA....Watteam PowerBeat double sided power meter for less than £300.
http://www.clevertraining.co.uk/watteam-powerbeat-the-world-s-first-add-on-pro-level-powermeter
Use DCR10BTF for another 10% off. I think this is the old model.
You can have dual sided for £350 (inc cranks):
[url= https://shop.teamzwatt.com/ ]https://shop.teamzwatt.com/[/url]
I have a Zpider and would recommend it. Works great for me. No tricky installation, or silly pods get damaged (unlike the watteam ones above), and rechargeable. There are also very regular software updates / improvements (the downside of this is there is a small monthly maintenance fee for 24 months).
4iii on 105 for 315 quid at Ribble black friday deal.
£300 for single sided pedal option would be a milestone.
And has arrived. until midnight 4iiii 105 cranks at £285
Powertap P1 pedals seem to be £799 everywhere now, is that new? Personally I'd still wait for Vector 3 or get Favero pedals if I didn't already have bePROs.
Yes, they've had to lower their price to the Vector 3s. I was hoping for some Assioma's on offer today, but the only discount so far is a bundle with a Garmin 520 - which I don't need.
Just ordered powertap P1S on click and collect for £343 including my discount card.
Good/bad decision?
Good/bad decision?
Only time will tell 😉
PowerPod has some fans around here. It's on at PBK for 200 quid for the next hour [url= https://www.probikekit.co.uk/cycling-power-meters/powerpod-powermeter-v2/11514777.html ]here[/url].
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PowerPod has some fans around here.
I'm not using mine - £100 to the first interested party, with cable & under bar go pro / Garmin mount. 😀
I’d be tempted by that Kryton, Bluetooth or ant+?
I'm pretty sure its the V1 which is ANT+ only...?
Bought in April.
300 quid for a 105 4iiii from ProBikeKit with SAVE20 code.
If you can be arsed with the fitting, then Watteam Powerbeat now £300 for dual sided:
http://www.clevertraining.co.uk/watteam-powerbeat-single-dual-2-pack-power-meter
Single sided version is £204.
Worth reading the review on DC Rainmaker if interested.
(Not sure, but might be able to get an extra discount on top of that with DCR VIP thingy.)
Be good to hear some real world feedback on those PowerBeat ones.
Anyone else having trouble with their PM’s in the cold weather? Had my PowerTap C1 on the turbo bike for a couple of years with no problems. Switched it to the training bike for this winter and have managed to kill it in a couple of months.
While that’s gone back to Paligap I swapped over some to some Vectors and they managed to chew through a pair of batteries in a couple of rides. Used the Vectors all last winter with no problems, hopefully just a duff batch of batteries. Am subjecting them to a lot more cold and wet this winter though that would have had me on the turbo last winter.
Quick straw poll. Who's riding their PM's outdoors through winter? So far this winter has killed a C1 spider and one of my Vector pods. So what's coping well and what isn't?
^^ to follow that up, I'd be quite tempted by the Assioma now, having all the electronics encased in a resin block. Easy rechargeable looks good too. I'm sure a lot of the issues I have is with internal condensation when bringing a cold bike indoors to change batteries.
Quick straw poll. Who's riding their PM's outdoors through winter? So far this winter has killed a C1 spider and one of my Vector pods. So what's coping well [b]and what isn't?[/b]
Stages 😀
Joking aside the replacement (third unit now) is confined to the turbo this winter, I can't be assed with all the battery and support hassles all over again.
Stages
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Mines on the XC bike and not been ridden in ages.
Yeah, seemed like a good idea to me too - we'll see (though I won't be riding outdoors much for a month or two, and I've a bit of a tendency to jump on the turbo if it's pissing down anyway)^ to follow that up, I'd be quite tempted by the Assioma now, having all the electronics encased in a resin block
Are you keeping the bike with the PM inside?
My theory (not scientific in anyway) based on having 3 stages pms. If they are kept inside they seem to run through battery much faster. I think this could be because my phone / other devices 'wake up' the pm for connection and therefore drain the battery quicker.
This could be complete bollox, but since my road bike is in the house now, as opposed to the shed it is getting through battery at a much faster rate that it had been
I get the opposite tbh, it's kept in a cold garage - single skin brick, vented but no insulation.
Once it's been outside it never gets the chance to dry out properly because of the damp environment. The batteries die very quickly and I get a lot of dodgy calibration readings until I can leave the bike by the radiator with the cap off and battery out for a day.
My bePROs haven't been outside in filthy weather much at all, though they don't show any signs of minding cold temperatures.
If I were buying again fresh now, then I'd be torn between Vector 3 (because they look so neat) and Assiomas.
I did briefly think that my bePROs were playing up the other day - they were showing pretty much 40:60 left-right balance, whereas I'm usually within a couple of percent of 50-50 unless going really gently. I'm pretty sure that it's because I have a hurty left hamstring though, and am subconsciously going easy on it.
my powertap is staying indoors for the winter.
Once it's been outside it never gets the chance to dry out properly because of the damp environment. The batteries die very quickly and I get a lot of dodgy calibration readings until I can leave the bike by the radiator with the cap off and battery out for a day.
That is my experience, certainly with the C1. Vectors are a bit better. I may put the P2M on the winter bike and see how that goes.
I ride my Stages indoors or outside regardless. Its a G2 which touch wood doesn't seem affected by crap weather/water (two winters riding) Battery life is much more reasonable than the G1's I had to return but nowhere near the quoted 200 hours.
I've got a Watteam on order and won't be wrapping that up indoors either.
Friend has a 4iiii that's fitted to his fat bike and he seems to use it all winter with limited issues despite them only being certified to 0C. This is in Calgary though where although it's often very cold it's dry so no damp issues to contend with.
I'd be torn between Vector 3 (because they look so neat) and Assiomas.
I had this exact thought before ordering mine. The Vector 3's look just like my old Look Keo carbon pedals but with the word Garmin printed on them. I have to admit that I think the extra was worth it for the looks on the bike, to me at least. Functionally though there's not a lot in it they all work nicely these days.
P2M used all last winter and this winter too (when I venture outside). Absolutely fine.
P2M does seem well regarded in that respect. It’s currently single ringed on the mothballed TT bike but might do some swapping around.
Played with my Vectors and it looks like the right pod is dead. Took the opportunity to order a Vector 2 upgrade kit to replace both pods and spindles, not too bad at 100 quid. I guess that’s one advantage of having the pods separate in the old Vectors.
C1 is with Paligap 🙁
At this rate i’m thinking it might be worth rebuilding my PowerTap hub!
I might have a PowerTap GS wheel going spare if interested (or anyone else). I've not used it much at all - should probably get rid of it. Currently on loan to a friend. I've been hanging onto it just in case I end up with a bike permanently fixed to the turbo. The reality is though, that if that happens then I'll probably get a direct drive one anyway.
My Powercal might be staying indoors, along with the ride! Smart trainer on order. Sprint training here I come.
Actually planning on the assiomas. Single sided and hoping they fix the Swift single sided issue
I thought I would share my experience with Favero BePro.
have been using them for 6 months or so, the pedal its self is very high quality so my view is that you are paying an incremental £275 for a power meter. Which makes it better value than a left only option, but I guess you have to like Look cleats in the first place.
They have worked faultlessly through winter so far, 12 hours a week of riding outside in the salt and then hosing down and there are no issues electronically or mechanically.
The ability to charge via mini usb is great
I had stages before and had loads of issues that this system overcomes
- Swapping between bikes was harder
- Water in battery
- Dropping signal whilst riding
- Buying spare batteries
- Under measuring
Actually planning on the assiomas. Single sided and hoping they fix the Swift single sided issue
Is that issue only with bluetooth connection? Is connecting via ANT+ a viable backup plan for you?
Regarding longevity, my power 2max has now done five very hard years where it's been ridden outside every winter through all weathers. This year I stuck it on my CX bike so it has been crashed, ridden through mud, rain, snow and ice, jumped and generally abused 4 nights a week.
Still opererates as new with just a new battery (1 min job) every 9 months or so.
Very impressive.
Well a thumbs up for the Vectors. A dead pedal pod after about 3 years of pretty heavy use. Figured I might as well just get the Vector 2 upgrade kit, ordered yesterday and arrived today, thanks Sigma Sport and DPD. 100 quid for two new pods with new cartridges, bushing, bearings and seals. Easy enough DIY job, done in about half an hour. All paired up and ready to go. No having to send it back to Garmin. There's certainly some merit in keeping the electronics in a separate package.
Oh extra plus, could unpair them and run them single sided for a couple of days until the kit arrived.
Looks like Santa has come early....
Great stuff. Let us know how the installation goes. What you sticking them to? Do you have anything to compare them to when you get them installed? Assume it comes with some sort of calibration kit?
