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I think a lot get ridden into the ground - my Ti hardtail frame will be staying put (unless some f*ckers nick it again).
I bought a second hand Demo 8 carbon without really thinking about it and I've been riding long enough to remember the disasters that were the GT STS's. I'm pretty sure that it'll cope with my mincing just fine!
I know some people riding £6k of bling. Justification is ifs all they spend their money on - no golf etc. Tend to be old guys (like me) 45+, kids moved on etc. Few k depreciation nothing compared to driving a flash car I suppose
I wish somebody would throw one of the 26" 140mm bling carbon full suspension frames my way 😆
I don't generally replace frames when they are X years old. More when they are damaged or I fancy an upgrade and have the funds.
Currently have a 26" wheeled SC Superlight (2007) and a mk2 Soul.
Whilst I fancy a play on a bigger wheeled FS with more up to date suspension technology, I don't think the bikes are holding me back in any way - much more the other way round.
My 2007 look, 9 years old!! was stolen from my Garage. The replacement lives indoors. Got the bike back too, functional but scratched to hell, so its just sat in the garage waiting for me to strip the parts for ebay
If they are anything like my Yeti and various carbon components I've owned over the past 27 years, within 2 years they are full of punched holes and cracks from rocks... There comes a point after a couple of years that it doesn't make much financial sense to keep repairing it. Most of my aluminum and steel frames and components survived though, albeit with some dents.
I've got a 2011 Mojo HD which has been superseded 2 or 3 times now. I hang on to it because I don't think it's worth much second hand being a 26er, and it still rides well.
Would I like a new bike - yes, can I afford one these days - no.
I'm on a 2010 voodoo and keep wondering about what to replace it with, but never do. when all the carbon frames started coming out I wasn't going to be an early adopter (cost, wasn't in the market) but the initial fails didn't put me off, ali and steel can break if you want it to.
the change in wheel sizes, the constant additions of cassette ratios and the shift to proprietorial fittings does put me off because of the endless hype with every bit of new tech and some of the daft price tags, it puts off the self builders and plays to the full bike purchasers (which I understand the economics of)
however I've still not been convinced that there is a big step change out there that is worth changing horses for, so I'll carry on with the one that can be dragged out of the shed and is ready to go.
I sold a 1st gen Scott Scale carbon frame on Ebay for £550 IIRC last year. Must have been 10 years old?
Still have a Scott Spark 1st gen, might sell it if I can be bothered.
Had a 1st gen Al Santa Cruz Blur frame and couldn't give that away.
within 2 years they are full of punched holes and cracks from rocks...
You need 3m helitape!
Check out how shiny my carbon rear end is on my yeti after a few years under helitape
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/68440820@N05/sets/72157659329763163/
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[i] with boost hubs, and + size compatibility, my 2014 Carbine 29er seems a bit dated.[/i]
So it's reading mags that makes bikes seem out-dated?
How much for the Carbine?
How many £3k frames actually get sold? I suspect there's not many left because there's never been that many of them.
I suspect a lot of people drop out of the sport. Get into it, buy an expensive bike, get married, have kids. Bike doesn't get sold as they'll definitely have more time next year. Time passes. I've had more than a few riding buddies like that over the years.
I personally wouldn't risk a lot of money on something with no warranty.
One of the reasons I prefer steel hardtails is if it cracks I can weld it back up!
Of my last 4 fs frames...
First one 04 s works enduro (super bike at the time in alu) skipped after 6 years due to chain stays snapping
07 heckler cable rub and wheel rub skipped that one back in 11
09 heckler made it until 2014 before snapping.
My blur ltc is happy as day 1 with 3 years hard riding under its belt. By the time I change I'll probably just keep the frame.
I think despite the nay sayers not as many get sold as you think, lots of those go to people who ride a lot. Many are not serial frame swappers. There are plenty of companies coming in with some excellent value bikes these days, across a lot of models/brands there is a stand out entry bike that is great value. Yes prices have risen from the 90s but so have quality and things like working suspension.
Plenty of good value ht builds around if you want to to go like for like.
i sold a 3 ride old blur ltc - don't know why i bought it, knew i should have bought a tallboy, took a 900 quid ish hit on it, but got the tallboy for a similar price, so nothing lost really (justification) - was from explosifpete off here in mid 2012
hardtail itch made me replace it last while i was out injured
wheres the frame? boxed up in my bedroom, not sure of its value
adding to the good value points
Want a start?
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/mtb/grand-canyon/grand-canyon-al-4-9.html
http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPW27GX1/on-one-parkwood-275-sram-gx1-mountain-bike
Want a decent looking XC race HT for 1500?
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/mtb/grand-canyon/grand-canyon-al-slx-9-9.html
Still riding my Jones Spaceframe 2 or 3 times a week, after nearly 7 years 😉
It's 29 capable, 29+ capable, fat capable, 650b+ capable
Sadly the bike industry and bike shops telling customers 26 is dead and it's all 650b now have cost loyal owners £££ but hey it's commerce, business. Nothing personal.
No I don't have anything against bike shops. I just don't get the 'support' an entity that has a cashtill inside.
Couple of 2014 £3k mtb frames and a £2k road frame here, they will be ridden until they break and sold for spares/repair if the warranty doesn't cover them.
A lot of them are being sold on pinkbike as I type. Lots of Santa Cruz Bronsons and Nomads, all 2015 or 2016 frames. One bloke claiming he spent £10,000 including the Enve wheels and only wants £4800. Bananas.
Fella who was asking me too much for a Kona frame recently was also trying to get £1,600 for a used mk1 Bronson frame at the same time.
When people spend way too much on a "dream bike" and later realise it's too short or too heavy for them, or just get seduced by the latest shiny shiny, they can be reluctant to adjust their expectations in line with reality.
Funny really because I'm looking at buying a 2012/2013 full suss and I'd probably prefer 26inch.
The nice bikes ,(carbon Specialized Enduro, Yeti SB66c etc) still seem to be advertised for around the £2k mark.
As already said, if someone has spent £5-£6k on them new, then they're going to really struggle to let them go for any less than this.
I have an E-120 from 2008 and it is still my main bike. The only thing left that is original is the main triangle and the stem, but obviously it is the same bike. I don't want a new bike as this one is amazing and it does everything I want it to. I also have an original Turner Burner that I built up and took to the Alps last year, that absolutely eat up the trails I was on. That bike must be 14/15 years old and with. New set of 100mm forks it was great. I doubt that it would cost more than £500 now, but that would be more than enough for most people need.
I'll be selling a mk1 2014 Santa Cruz Bronson frame (XL) in tennis yellow over the weekend when I get pictures etc sorted. 😆
Email in profile if anyone is interested..
Heres one.. 😆
Heres one for sale.. 🙄
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-2014-santa-cruz-bronson-carbon-frame-xl