[Closed] Wheel size bickering ?

important enough to start yet another thread on it?

I thought everyone just bought a bike they liked and worried about what size the wheels were when they needed new tyres?

It's because we like bickering.

Personally, I've lost out financially due to 26er kit being devalued, I take that personally because it is. It also bugs me that for 2 years, bike development and innovation largely went on hold. I wonder what we've missed out on or had delayed as a result. The man who had to design a 6% bigger Highroller might have cured cancer.

It did make me laugh being sent to the back of the bus at BPW into the 26er ghetto though. Rosa Bikeparks.

State of the union; the bike industry now knows it can get away with this bullshit. If 650b hadn't taken off we'd not now be being deluged in Boost bullshit. It's the proof of concept for bullshit without end, tyres are the least of it. And that's worth getting annoyed about.

2012 called, it wants its thread back, (oh and you missed out all the plus size and fat sizes too).

have tried other sizes available and dont see a massive difference

Never mind the size, what about the width?

Everyone knows it's girth that makes the difference.

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it's not my fault, some idiot started a wheel-size thread, blame him.

(kills the kitten)

So would it be pointless for someone to buy a 26" wheel bike, i know guys who love riding my 26 but terrified that they will become a thing of the past meaning ££££ wasted

I love my 26" bike & love even more the deals I can get on high end kit thanks to all the sheeple drinking the Kool Aid!

You know someone who is able to buy a 26" bike?

You know someone who is able to buy a 26" bike?

I bought a new Pivot Mach 5.7c about 2 months ago with £400 off the list - DEAL!

Clown wheels where invented so the new stupid dinner plate cassettes look less stupid and in proportion to the wheel!

[flashback] I remember when 28 was the big sprocket [/flashback] 🙂

But what about chain line?

I bought a new Pivot Mach 5.7c about 2 months ago with £400 off the list - DEAL!

Did someone mention kool aid?
You got £400 off a £2000 frame in the winter season and you think that's a special DEAL due to other wheel sizes being available.

Welcome to MTBing :0)

Did someone mention kool aid?
You got £400 off a £2000 frame in the winter season and you think that's a special DEAL due to other wheel sizes being available.

See if you can get a better deal - I spoke with the importer & that was as good as it got. Secondly try getting a 2016 carbon framed bike as good with nearly 25% off..

I've got a nice 26 full susser and 29 hard tail, barely ridden either since I got a fat bike a year ago. Wheel size is irrelevant, it's all about having fun.

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Rosa Bikeparks

Well it's about time! 😆

pickle - Member
But what about chain line?

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And yet all the kittens posted appear to be of a single standard size. Kitten manufacturers are missing a trick f'sure.

It's the proof of concept for bullshit without end, tyres are the least of it. And that's worth getting annoyed about.

This really... The cycle industry has caught the bug of "planned obsolescence" recent wheel shenanigans was just one example.

We had a good ~20 year run before this during which changes were incremental and there was plenty of backwards compatibility accomodated.

Now it feels like the aim is to persuade the new golfers, spurred on by MBR, to buy a whole new dandyhorse every 2-3 years for fear of "falling behind" or losing too much "resale value"... FFS

At the end of the day it's basically "sports equipment" like a cricket bat or pair of running shoes, companies need to shift units to stay in business, if enough people continue to believe the marketing they'll survive. Seems to be working at the moment...

Kitten manufacturers are missing a trick f'sure.

They need to bring the fur alive.

I was noseying in some BMX forums and I didn't realise they had these fun discussions too 😆 20", 22", 24", 26" & a kitten slaughtering 29" wheelsize. Will this madness ever cease? Will there be any kittens left?

The cycle industry has caught the bug of "planned obsolescence"

Parts of it.

I think 29er was a genuine innovation, that caused a few knock-on effects like tapered headtubes, but I think that's settled now.

There's more than one type of MTBer. The kind that wants to keep stuff and ride it for ages, and the new-golfers. The latter can easily be relieved of their money, the former will still be supported one way or another.

I think it'll stabilise now. Stuff for plus and fat tyres doesn't count, because that's optional - no-one's (yet) suggesting plus as a replacement for normal.

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I think it'll stabilise now. Stuff for plus and fat tyres doesn't count, because that's optional - no-one's (yet) suggesting plus as a replacement for normal.

But they are making pretty much every frame in Boost size now, to accommodate those (optional) plus tyres. So, the end result is still the same. Your current stuff wont fit your new frame.

It's definitely getting harder to nip out to the shed and fit the parts you already have onto newer frames. I'm building up a new 26" fs so I'm definitely in the tightwad camp.

Actually, boost could save me a fortune. I know that, in the grand scheme of things, a new hub and a rebuild isn't much extra when you are contemplating a new frame, but it's just that step too far for me at the moment. I currently have three sets of wheels (one in each size) all on Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs, which I thought were future-proof. Any frame that can't take one of those wheels is off the list for me at the moment, which seems to rule out almost all new offerings.

I dare say I'll crack in the end though.

Well it's about time!

I liked that one too, but hadn't forgiven you for ignoring the Bard and going with the West Side story reference in the fat bike thread, so was still sulking 🙂

So, the end result is still the same. Your current stuff wont fit your new frame.

Yes, but the accusation is that they are doing it deliberately. We'll see in ten years' time if we will still be using the same boost compatible frames that we buy today.

Yes, but the accusation is that they are doing it deliberately. We'll see in ten years' time if we will still be using the same boost compatible frames that we buy today.

Well they're not doing it accidentally 🙂

Maybe I'm missing something, but boost does seem pretty cynical to me. Fair enough, you might want stiffer wheels, but there are plenty of ways to achieve that without changing the axle standard (stiffer rims, bigger flanges etc). Even if you did want a wider hub standard, there was already a 150mm standard. Going for a new one that is 2mm narrower just seems like a deliberate attempt to make sure that nothing anybody already has will fit the new standard.

As Northwind pointed out, the wheelsize debacle was a proof-of-concept for this crap. So, one thing we can be sure of, if we keep going down this road, is that we wont still be using any frame we buy now in ten years time (even 5 years would be a failure as far as the marketing dept are concerned).

mugs, the lorraya.

I think 29er was a genuine innovation, that caused a few knock-on effects like tapered headtubes, but I think that's settled now.

I would agree with that, 29ers were a proper bit of innovation, unfortunately the likes of SBC spotted it, adopted it, made money from it and in the process inspired the rest of the industry to start looking for yet more wheel size based "innovations"...

Chubby tyred bikes are in the throws of it now, I honestly can't quite keep track of what's what in that sphere, as I am sure marketing would like for now...

I 'm with mikewsmith, it's over move on the wheel debate is old news.

I cracked a perfectly good Snappierre Zesty 26" & had the opportunity to sell it ( in new frame) while near new. I then sold my soul to the devil.. dare I say it 650B, one of the first Bronsons in the UK & love it though the haters were out in force straight away.

Come on boys who gives a S*7T what any one rides, if you enjoy your bike then do just that get out & ride it and play nicely, no more teddies out of prams eh.

important enough to start yet another thread on it?

I didn't want to reply for fear of more of these threads but seriously, move on.
I can still get parts for my 130 rear spaced 26 rigid with 7 speed Shimano.
Cantis still work, v brakes still work, straight steerers still work.

The only people who seem to be angry are those riding on 26" wheels but scared they're missing out. If you like your bike don't panic about what else is out there.

My current bike is a 2010 Commencal Meta 55*. Bar the rear shock (obviously) and seat post, I believe all of the parts on this are compatible with my 1997 GT Backwoods.

The only people who seem to be angry are those riding on 26" wheels but scared they're missing out.

I think those people need to get out and ride more (if they exist)

*Which due to the current wheel and hub size standards will be ridden into the ground.... I might treat it to 1x11 though!

superstu - Member

The only people who seem to be angry are those riding on 26" wheels but scared they're missing out.

Just wrong on various counts tbh, even within this thread.

Not looking to get into an argument Northwind, it is just my opinion. Sorry if I caused any offence.

I just don't understand the outcry from people that we are all dumb for buying into it (move to 650b). Year on year there's been improvements as far as I can tell in most aspects - suspension is better, braking is better, more options (arguably not better but that's a different discussion) re gearing and 1 X, droppers, plus more importantly more subtle changes such as geometry which has made most bikes a lot better in my opinion. Wheel change is just part and parcel of that.

Was looking at wheels yesterday and there's loads of options still around for decent 26" wheels.

This stuff about 26" wheels tyres etc ending up hard to get is garbage, there must be plenty of stuff still out there plus someone will see a great opportunity to supply what can only be a massive part of the mtb fraternity on 26" bikes

The kittens aren't working.

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I'm not angry, I have accepted that I will eventually own a 27.5er and probably be very happy with it.
But as someone said on page 1, imposing 650b has helped set an uncomfortable precedent, the larger companies now know they can collectively impose a blanket change to prevailing standards, under the guise of "innovation" which will have the effect of preventing the general backwards compatibility we previously enjoyed... They really didn't do it for customer benefit though don't go kidding yourself...

It's a circular (geddit) argument now anyway, most people either don't want to admit they're gullible, or else they're convinced the rest of the planet is stupid and can't tell they've been tricked by marketing, The truth is probably somewhere in between.