[Closed] What to do if a driver gets out of the car to 'sort out' an argument?

what this thread needs is a good group hug....

I have never heard so much shite in all my life 10 men attck him all at the same time and he can fight them all off?????? You have been watching to many Bruce Lee films. NO ONE NO ONE what so ever can do that you would simply be on him and pinning his arms to his sides immediatly. That remark is an insult to peoples intelligence. Maybe if they came at him one at a time then it is possible but if you are saying all at once then you are lieing end of.

If you had ever seen it you would know it relies on the fact that 10 people can not physically access 1 person, at most about 5 can get close enough at any moment. But I have been there and I am not lying. It might well be an insult to your intelligence as that would seem pretty easy.

I have never heard so much shite in all my life 10 men attck him all at the same time and he can fight them all off??????

you can't beat the angry pyjamas patiently queueing up to have a half assed pop at a sensei.

put him in a cage with a proper fighter and he'd get proper mashed up...

Anyone can learn Kata's and get belts. Its taking it in and ability/another level when you really can put it into practice.

Personally I'd back a boxer/street-fighter over a 'Sensai' any day of the week.

put him in a cage with a proper fighter and he'd get proper mashed up...

I said he was the hardest bloke I know. I don't know any cage fighters, and I am sure there are people that can have him, so what? The point is he is nails and could win in most situations but chooses not to. Mostly i should imagine because:
1) He might not win
2) If he did he might win later in court or revenge attack
3) He isn't a small minded moron who validates himself by turning petty arguments into life changing conflict.

Anyone can learn Kata's and get belts. Its taking it in and ability/another level when you really can put it into practice.

Personally I'd back a boxer/street-fighter over a 'Sensai' any day of the week.

toys19
The below is a load of bollocks, I cannot believe you have read the daily mail today and still find time to post here, did someone read it to you?

UK gets threatened all the time, they mostly ignore it.

Are you telling me I should have lain on the floor taking a kicking from driver who swerved in front of me and slammed the brakes on?? That would have encouraged him do it again because he knows he can get away with it........surely you can see that?

No but if you could have you should have buggered off.
Do you think getting into a fight with a bloke is going to teach him anything? After you have "won" do you think he will go home and reappraise his views on driving and agree with your view of his driving? He will just go and feel more bitter and probably run over more cyclists, in fact I imagine his behaviour with you happened because of previous altercations. Make peace, walk away.

toys19-

Is it time to post this vid again? The bloke hangs on as long as possible, despite mateys threats he never gets into it unless he vitally has to.

"Silent biker" - No. This video has nothing to do with bikes. It's just some chav that gets his arse handed to him.

however i am now a changed man and have seen the error of my ways.
i would now laugh at someone screaming in my face, but how should i react if he then hit me?
i dont know, anyone have a answer?

mstrb - Member
"Silent biker" - No. This video has nothing to do with bikes. It's just some chav that gets his arse handed to him.

Read my response to the same comment. It is good though isn't it?

Yeah I know, good vid though. But I don't think he had anywhere to run, he needed to protect his family/property, he kept his cool hoping the aggressor would just back off, in the end he was left with little choice but to wallop him. If it was me I would have gone inside locked the doors and armed myself and the wife with cameras/video and recorded the lot whilst calling the police.

Ton said

however i am now a changed man and have seen the error of my ways.
i would now laugh at someone screaming in my face, but how should i react if he then hit me?
i dont know, anyone have a answer?

Isn't this hypothetical as in most situations you would just get away before the face screaming begins?

ton - Member
however i am now a changed man and have seen the error of my ways.
i would now laugh at someone screaming in my face, but how should i react if he then hit me?
i dont know, anyone have a answer?

ou in essence are saying no different from there should be no consequence for your astions............I believe thats called anarchy?? And it is difficult when on the floor to "run away" and trying to would have encouarged him to continue attacking me.

From you report above, you went further than defending yourself, you then went on the attack and were beaten by the

dam centrel locking

The consequences of his actions should have been a call from the cops, but you took the wrong decision on that too.

no doubt toys19 would still support the car driver??

[i]It might well be an insult to your intelligence as that would seem pretty easy.[/i]

Takes time to admire the above line 🙂

I don't think that video is "good" at all. I think its ****ing disgusting that a bloke had to resort to violence to get rid of some chav that was trying to impress his phone-camera wielding scum friends. There's nothing good or relevant about it.

It is entirely possible to be a victim of violent conduct without inviting it or inciting it. However swearing at people isn't going to reflect terribly well on you either. I was the victim of threats of violence without any negative behaviour on my part. But I would always recommend calling police and make it clear that you are being physically threatened. I deal with conflict and violence a daily basis but it's always better to call the police and explain what's happened in a calm manner. I wasn't suggesting squaring up to someone and using physical violence if you can avoid it. Hoewever the law does allow for a pre-emptive strike if you are genuinely in fear of your own or another's safety. The obvious caveat is that it's for a jury to decide if the force was reasonable in the circumstances.

Takes time to admire the above line

I don't think that video is "good" at all. I think its **** disgusting that a bloke had to resort to violence to get rid of some chav that was trying to impress his phone-camera wielding scum friends. There's nothing good or relevant about it.

OK fair enough. It is actually awful. When I first saw it it made me sick to my stomach (until the conclusion) as I have been in similar situations - [b]but[/b] my 'good' comment is from the relief that his smart actions brought things to a swift and mostly painless conclusion. I admire that bloke for dealing with it the way he did.

toys19 - Member

If you had ever seen it you would know it relies on the fact that 10 people can not physically access 1 person, at most about 5 can get close enough at any moment. But I have been there and I am not lying. It might well be an insult to your intelligence as that would seem pretty easy.

chuckles at njee20

Personally I'd back a boxer/street-fighter over a 'Sensai' any day of the week.

NO ONE NO ONE what so ever can do that you would simply be on him and pinning his arms to his sides immediatly.

You are so informed you cant even see how it can be done.. I see little point debating it with you but trust me it can and with speed, movement and power.

You are so informed you cant even see how it can be done..

I expect sd-253 is just using his 'common sense'.

surfmatt could take you all on.

i've seen someone take out 4 people with one punch that somehow merged into a headbut at the end.

Nonsense - Member
It is entirely possible to be a victim of violent conduct without inviting it or inciting it. However swearing at people isn't going to reflect terribly well on you either. I was the victim of threats of violence without any negative behaviour on my part. But I would always recommend calling police and make it clear that you are being physically threatened. I deal with conflict and violence a daily basis but it's always better to call the police and explain what's happened in a calm manner. I wasn't suggesting squaring up to someone and using physical violence if you can avoid it. Hoewever the law does allow for a pre-emptive strike if you are genuinely in fear of your own or another's safety. The obvious caveat is that it's for a jury to decide if the force was reasonable in the circumstances.

Mike Godwin rule?

Anyone care to take a bet, how long?

😉

Well we have had muslims and osama it won't be long now..

pre-emptive strike? sounds like something the nazis would do

pre-emptive strike? sounds like something the[s] nazis[/s] [b]USA[/b] would do

FTFY you thread ruiner..

toys19 - Member

ou in essence are saying no different from there should be no consequence for your astions............I believe thats called anarchy?? And it is difficult when on the floor to "run away" and trying to would have encouarged him to continue attacking me.

From you report above, you went further than defending yourself, you then went on the attack and were beaten by the

dam centrel locking

The consequences of his actions should have been a call from the cops, but you took the wrong decision on that too.

no doubt toys19 would still support the car driver??

That is crazy that you would think I have any empathy with or sympathy for people that threaten other people.

I think you will find I am supporting you. But I don't know if you are open minded enough to realise that.

What I want to know is can a plane take off on a conveyor belt?

It depends on how many people in the plane are suffering from air rage.

ransos - Member
What I want to know is can a plane take off on a conveyor belt

On the topic of road manners, I'd be interested in drivers' views generally on whether it's ok for motorcyclists to 'wiggle' between 2 clear lanes of traffic at a set of lights (effectively under/over taking without safe room to do so) and then complain that a car driver is reluctant to give way to avoid being 2 abreast?

I always give motorcyclists the same space as a car but they are just knobs when they force their way up stationery lines of traffic.

Up until recently I was a cycle courier in london and I've had many an argument with people who've cut me up, knocked me off or walked out in front of me. At the time I always seem to go completely mental. I've never been punched or shoved, but I've done it to taxi drivers etc... I think the key is to get unreasonably annoyed and appear to be a complete nutjob so people don't want to get involved.

I was cut up and nearly knocked off the bike in Rusholme in Manchester once. The taxi driver got out of the car after he forced me on to the pavement and started racially abusing me. He said "go back to where you come from" (he was Asian and I am a hairy Englishman) and I've never laughed so much in my life 😆 Oh, and his wife and kid where in the back of his car too. Jeremy Beadle didn't appear unfortunately. Strangely, the same week another taxi driver stopped me, wound his window down and gave me a hat as he said I looked cold. Again, Beadle was nowhere to be seen.

In situations like that I always ask myself, "What would Jason Bourne do?"

they are just knobs when they force their way up stationery lines of traffic.

so the traffic is stationary. How exactly are they forcing there way through? Shunting cars out their way?
People get very cross when you can travel faster than them and yet they also get annoyed when you are travelling slower than them as well.
You can filter stationary traffic FWIW

Exactly.

Junkyard/toys - My question used the word 'wiggle' - do you have a view on that? And the subsequent expectation that the car driver you pull alongside will give way when the motorcyclist sets off so as to allow them the space they require?

'Force' was maybe a poor term but it was referring to motorbikes wiggling between the wing mirrors of stationery/slow moving traffic in 2 lanes and then poking their front wheel into the space between two cars so as to 'claim' their 'new car sized space in that lane'.

Motor cyclists get cross when they're not given the space of a car hence I merely think they'd be better advised to ride with that in mind at all times. Safer for all.

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ddepreddave. I used to do the wiggle all the time, (don't motorbike anymore) so that I could get ahead. if the bike isn't slowing you down what is your problem?

i think it is what I would do if I was on a motorbike or cycle and I would expect it to annoy a number of car drivers who will try and shut the gap to prevent me and then blame me for it. I expect them to justify it with fairly flimsy logic and very little /nothing that is in the highway code.
Why care a motorbike is now in front of you. Does it really matter?
Ps Why can they not get past you like they have done to reach you ? is it because you closed the gap to stop them?
Non issue to me tbh I pull over and let them through as it costs me next to nothing tbh an do the same when moving if they want to pass me.

Up until recently I was a cycle courier in london and I've had many an argument with people who've cut me up, knocked me off or walked out in front of me. At the time I always seem to go completely mental. I've never been punched or shoved, but I've done it to taxi drivers etc... I think the key is to get unreasonably annoyed and appear to be a complete nutjob so people don't want to get involved.

maybe it's time to move out of the city..

Anyway. Answer to OP's Q - I think you either know you'll know what to do, or you shouldn't get yourself into that situation.

No problem to me personally as I drive like an old man anyway so time's not an issue 😉 Just interested as in an earlier post a 'biker' kicked a car's wing because of this very occurence and I've also seen a driver who was stationery in traffic open his car door and the biker pile into it doing just this. The car door certainly wasn't flimsy!

I can't imagine overtaking in the same lane as being advisable at any time, legal or not. Any Police out there able to say one way or the other? In the case of the car driver opening his door who would be to blame?

I don't go in for the rude gesture. I wear glasses. I've found the most effective way of diffusing a situation is to remove my glasses and offer them to the offending motorist. Works best if you can do it while trackstanding.

Cheeky and gets the point across.

ask them if they've ever had their balls/breasts weighed...

As a quiet, shy and gentle looking soul, i'd try to avoid a situation where someone would get angry enough to want to harm me. If someone drives like a fool, let them go on their way, gesticulating wildly won't change their behaviour and even if they decide not to stop and get into manly breasticle pushing and fisticuffs, they may well take it out on another cyclist as a result of you winding them up further.

peace and love from the fluffy bunny of cycling

filtering is legal the highway code is vague but mentions that you do it safely but give no other hints
If a car overtakes a stationary [parked] car and the driver opens the door whose fault is that...obviously the person who opens the door.
i have had a car overtake pull in and then open the door on a bike and in a car. Hit them with the bike and had to reverse the car to let them shut the door.
I once saw two cars try and squeeze through a gap then shout then go to get out and neither could open the door wide enough ..very funny that one.
The solution is better driving all round other road users are not your enemy even if they are annoying.

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Manoeuvring. You should be aware of what is behind and to the sides before manoeuvring. Look behind you; use mirrors if they are fitted. When in traffic queues look out for pedestrians crossing between vehicles and vehicles emerging from junctions or changing lanes. Position yourself so that drivers in front can see you in their mirrors. [b]Additionally, when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low.[/b]

Junkyard - Right, thanks and totally agree re better driving all round. Filtering seems very open to interpretation but covered by other rules re safe manoeuvres and under/over taking. You takes your chances.... I suppose.

Like most, i've had my fair share of incidents with drivers, sometimes aggro sometimes not.
I once had a bloke scream up behind me and pull a ridiculously dangerous overtake just so he could be in front of me at the traffic lights - which were red. It was the middle lane of three and the other two lanes had a queue of vehicles, so he left me with no room to escape and nearly smeared me down the side of a car. I tapped on his drivers window and asked him - fairly forcefully i admit but without swearing - exactly what he thought he was playing at. He just waved his hand around, said "yeah yeah" and wound his window up. I went completely and utterly Librarian Poo, tried to headbutt him through the glass, punched his wing mirror off (Merc C220) and then, when he tried to jump his car forward a little i picked up my bike and went to throw it through his rear windscreen - whereupon he jumped a red light and screamed off through opposing traffic.

All very funny you might think, but i was ashamed of myself immediately afterwards, the looks of terror i got from the surrounding motorists made me feel awful, if he had crashed his car jumping the light i could have been responsible for someone's injury or even death.

Another time a 'gentleman of the road/pikey' pulled out of a junction right on top of me and hit me, i yelled at him as he pulled out and his response was that i had ridden into him! He got out and swung a punch, blocked it cos it was rather half-hearted and he was a bloke in his late 50's at best. I reported him and let the law do it's stuff.

I have a very, very short fuse so i'm really trying to be a calmer, better person otherwise i'm going to end up inside or badly hurt.