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Ignore him, he got hounded off bike radar for being too enthusiastic about his own bike and trollish as you like about all others.
Wait till he's had a few and posts in the evening! It's brilliant!
I feel sorry for the person who just wanted views on a 5!
If nothing else these bikes create some very emotional and passionate responses!!
Firstlty use the Mag tests to get an idea whats out there and
how they rate them.
Then test and re test what your happy with.
With the new rear shocks now I personaly the bob is minimal
But you also get three positions on the shock from smooth to hard.
I had spoken to Orange about the new RP23 Booster valve
Orange say when you put the shock into MOJO for its year service
let them know your weight and they will put the correct valve in for your weight
And by doing this its as close to having your shock TF or Pushed Tuned
The valve is around £ 12 pounds.
Head angle with the 140 fork its 67 degree
I would say your 05 is a 150 fork travel so your head angle
with this is around 66.5 degree approx
"Think you need to take a look at the Orange Bike web site and go onto
press reviews and Look up Five MBR Review 2007 test report"
Must be true if MBR said it 
That's the same review where they say that moving weight towards the pivot of the swingarm reduces the unsprung weight, and says that a 5.5" bike is short travel? Certainly an impressive source, no doubt backed up by extensive testing of various folded sheet swingarms, and a structural engineer. Right? And even that review didn't say anything about creases reducing weight or vibration...
You're a neverending source of amusement, I do miss your Bikeradar posts...
1. yes the reviews are good, the bike is a very good trail centre machine, but considerable cash is spend with the magazines on advertising, so read into this yourself
2. it is quite active if you run a lot of sag, not a problem with a pro-pedal or swinger shock, but its a 5.5inch FS'er and not a anthem, any bob i get doesn't bother me
3. i reckon around 66 to 66.5 for the 2010 frames, the geometry for the Five AM is on the webshite
4. about 30-31 lbs
i don't work for orange BTW but ride several different ones, ultimately you should test ride one, don't make an expensive purchase off the advice from a webshite...
LOl Swarf I simply highlighted what some how you thought was a by product
Regarding weight saving is what Orange had told me and I think
would be pretty obvious well to some.
If they did not crease the metal in those areas they would have to etheir
reinforce in some areas or simply use thicker material.
So by introducing the creaseing this has saved on weight
How the hell did you come to some what conlusion the creasing was a by product A side effect?
It's very hard to understand what you're trying to say, would you mind putting it through babelfish or something so that it's in english?
Saving weight would only apply if the creases were adding strength, and since only that ridiculous MBR review mentions that, I think we can safely ignore it don't you? Oh, and still no comeback on vibration? Or on that matter the daft "4 foot drop" comment?
How did I come to the conclusion that the creasing is a side effect? By working sheet metal and seeing what it does when you fold it in certain ways. The creasing is just a result of the fold- it's obvious you don't really understand what's involved, but you can recreate it with a sheet of paper, the result is the same. Bend the sheet into a curve, then try and fold it without having it crease.
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Presumably the folded sheet metal down tube started when hydroforming was uncommon if not unheard of? It was a distinctive look that achieved the required level of strength for the intended use of the bike, back whenever it was first conceived.
The frame has been refined over the years and presumably Orange could swap to a hydroformed or more swoopy down tube but then they would lose the whole distinctive look that makes the Orange 5 identifiable.
Yup, it's a pretty clever way to make a frame, very adaptable, tubes are strong but limit the design a little. The folded swingarms in particular make a lot of sense, if you look to motorbikes you see extrusions, braces and plates, not a lot of tubes (and the tube ones are for looks, on Ducatis and retros) And it helps that Steve Wade had a sheet metal business not a tube business 😆
It's partly due to the fact that hydroforming is expensive And requires large amounts of tooling and can actually weaken areas with high levels of directional change in them. Orange is a small company compared to any of the mainstream brands.
The creases themselves won't strengthen the frame however the flat sections in between will add rigidity.
I was impressed by how little bob there was in pp on mine and how well it climbed, even with the stock tyres (now gone!) and with pp off it bobbed no more or less than my FSRs out of the saddle. Brake jack wasn't evident and it was great to ride.
It's a fine bike but if you're not taken by it's looks there are many nice designs out there that look more aesthetically pleasing.
Just a couple of comments:
the bike is a very good trail centre machine
When ever I read that in a mag about any bike it leaves me utterly cold.
Someone mentioned Orange are probably pretty little-known outside of the UK. I actually like that. In France a few years back I saw a fair few foreign riders at the lift queue on bikes I'd never heard of. Makes it alittle bit more special I guess. 🙂
You do talk shit Hora. Absolute Shite.
Northwind, I'm on bike radar under a different name but have you got a link to that epic Orange thread that went on and on and our friend Grantway livened up so much?
RHSno2 - MemberYou do talk shit Hora. Absolute Shite.
I've met you on the NDowns- your quite nerdy/pastey looking arent you?
Hora, i swapped my blur 4x for an 09 five with 36's.
i do miss the 4x as it was an absolutely class little bike. if you are 5'10" ish then it would probably be long enough in the top tube to get away with as an all dayer without having to run a long stem. at 6ft it was just a bit too short for me but more than made up for it on the fun stuff. that bike did more for my confidence and riding skills than any other. if i could afford to run 2 full sussers then id have kept the pair of them but if im honest the 5 is a better all rounder and just as capable in the rough stuff, maybe more so. my 5 is lighter than my 4x by a couple of pounds with a pretty similar build, the only main differences being forks (36 talas vs air pikes) and wheels (flow rims vs stupid heavy things).
slowrider- I know, I had one for 14months. I sold it as I 'fancied a change' rather than not getting along with it. ****ing idiot 🙁
GaryLake - Member
Hora: OT, Your seatpost will be going out special delivery tomorrow, was waiting to see whether RM were going to strike or not before sending...
I paid you a week-last Wednesday by Paypal.
Hora, have you got the post, should be with you by 1pm (special delivery) or I can claim so let me know 😉
GaryLake "Northwind, I'm on bike radar under a different name but have you got a link to that epic Orange thread that went on and on and our friend Grantway livened up so much?"
Nope, but all you have to do is search user: "Grantway" and word either "Meta" or LOLOLOL
Oh yes- got it ta and used. Was in a rush to set off.
Ps. Anyone fancy making me an offer on a 09 18" nearly new Five let me know. I'll offer it at 50% of what they cost. Or I'll do a deal for a Blur 4x.
hello
interested in 5 what colour is it any pics and price....cheers
Ping me a mail markhoracekuk@yahoo.com
Love my Five and if anything the only fault would be the low "ish" bottom bracket.
The only fault with mine is that the bloke that rides it isn't very good! 😀
Regarding the 'folds' in sheet metal mentioned above,if you put shape into a flat sheet you will stiffen it, so a swage line will stiffen a panel without adding extra material, I assume that was what the post intended.
For what its worth I really enjoy riding my 5, but I may look at longer forks to slacken the H/A at some point, and raise the BB slightly, got mine S/H, I think its 2005(?) metallic blue with straight top tube and manitou swinger?
Anyone know the seat clamp diameter required? The stock one is pretty shabby and isn't doing its job. Post is a 27.2mm Thompson. I'd have thought it was more than 28.9. Anyone know?
Tyres ditched in favour of a pair of maxxis; much better on the trail now.
Amazed at the climbing ability; I'm clearing sections I couldn't on my 120mm Stumpy!
clamp is 31.8 i think
no its not, that my other bike! 28.6?
Orange 5 seatpost clamp is 31.8
I've just replaced my 2006 Orange 5 (metallic blue with swinger 3-way air), which cracked just forward of the top tube / seat tube junction. I was very sad when that happened.
However, after the first weekend on my new 2010 Orange 5 (gunmetal grey with Fox RP23 somethingorother), I must say I'm a very happy bunny again. I always thought the new swoopy top tube and creased downtube was just for aesthetics. Certainly though, the swooped top tube has allowed me to go up to the Large frame size. I think my old, medium frame, which I needed for my stumpy legged body, cracked because of me running the seatpost out at max for all those years. 😥
I think it climbs amazingly, digging in even better than my old model and it feels wonderfully plush. How much of that is down to the frame design, and how much is the new fangled shock I don't know, I'm not a good enough rider to tell. I have noticed an increase in pedal strikes, but then I'm running a shorter (130mm fork on it), and I haven't quite worked out the rear shock settings yet. I wouldn't swap it for anything though. I love it. 😀
B.
Northwind/Swarf
There is no by-products in the process of manufacturing the Downtube.
As each crease, fold, radius is part of the manufacturing process and
has been done purposely so there is no evidence of a by-product
or side effect of a by-product.
The Downtube consits of a radius to the top part of the tube followed by
two constructional creases to either side, with two flat sides to the Downtube and two 90 degree folds to the bottom and then welded underneath.
The reason for the crease at the top two edges instead of a full radius maybe, that being the sheet material is only approx 2 or 1.5 mm approx thick. Therefore the crease maybe stronger construction to the Downtube
as opposed to a full radius.
I have included the word maybe as I am not the manufacturer.
To dissipate vibration Downtube Orange seem to have mimicked fanned out creases to the side parts of the Downtube which to absorb the energy
similar to how Wave Breakers absorb the energy from the sea.
Northwind
I have gone through my Journals and even found my school books Ahhhh
to see if I have missed something or Learnt from your description of
a by-product.
This is what I have found from my journals for what is defined as a by-product.
A product made during the manufacture of something else.
A material other than the principal product generated as a consequence of an industrial process.
A secondary metal or mineral product recovered in the milling process.
Material created incidental to a production process which can be sold for value.
Now I hope you have read this one incorrectly.
A by-product is a secondary or incidentally during production of something else. A side effect.
Then you nead to read this again as it points out to, production of something else!
Now as each process is manipulated and to form the construction of the Downtube. Then there is no by-product, nor side effect been produced from the manufacturer or manufacture of this part.
However I did find a by-product of unemployment and if you gave such invalid and incorrect advice as on a professional level/opinion this could see you swiftly out on your assssssssssssss
Well to be honest there is a by-product on unemployment
but my interpretation was made up. 😆
So what have you bought Bosh?
Im buying the Orange Crush for my new 😉 Winter bike
I really like my )8 5 Pro but i'm going off it with all the venom this thread has produced.... or am i missing something?
Not bought anything yet! Mojo confirmed that the RP23 shock on the 5 would be overloaded with my weight. So looking at the Alpine 160. See my other thread!
Yep Bosh very aware been adding through the day !!
Anybody know where you can get the latest model Five frame only with maxle?
Retro83 Go onto Orange Bikes web site and click onto Dealers.
duh, thanks 😳
shame they all seem to be RRP only
Last year, 3 of us demoed a 5 pro with all the Hope upgrades against a P7 pro and my TranceX on the Qs. We were disappointed with the 5 because it was slow compared with the other two - who ever was riding it at the time was at the back. Downhill the sus worked well but was not as responsive as the Meastro. We think the tyres really let it down when bombing down muddy singletrack. My mate bought the P7. I wouldn't consider one against my Trance X on that kind of terrain.
But lots of people love them so I'd deffo demo one before you decide.
Grantway, you're a bit special aren't you. Keep it up. You just managed to write 2 massive posts without adding a single thing to the conversation 🙂 If these creases are such an essential part of the design, and so perfectly engineered, why is it they're not the same on any 2 frames?
As I explained earlier, when you fold metal along anything other than a perfect square, you get creases. Simple as that. Getting rid of them is hard work, so they don't bother.
Demo what you are considering - I was dead set on a alpine 160 until I went over to orange and spoke to the guys there & don't do what I do and buy before trying.
This year I have had/still have: 2009 trance advanced, Titus supermoto, pace rc405, stumpy m5, genesis alpitutde, 2009 orange 5 AM, 2009 Santa cruz chameleon & my GF has a 2010 blur LT.
I was running the pace as my full sus for a while (did sierra Nevada on my pace) and thought it was a bike for life until I demoed my mates 5AM. I have had horst link/free floater/single pivot so far and can safely say that the 5 is the best bike I have ridden. The blur LT is pretty good though I wish she rode a large.