[Closed] Trance, with a few mods to show what can be done.

Ok for the skeptics.....

First pic is my HT, alloy frame, air forks, carbon bars, Deore brakes, 1x10, Pacenti rims and a Mary front, Nic rear.
Weight is 28lb/12.91kg

Next pic I think is my road bike, cheap Ribble thing but around the 8kg mark due to a ridiculously light Superstar wheelset.

Next pic is the Trance, may have ballsed up the 26lb weight last night, I'm getting 28lb today with confirmation on bathroom scales with me holding the bike too.
My weight:
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Combined weight of me and bike:
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got some actual weighed weights to pop on the scales?

am sad you havent stuck to your guns...yes giant frames are light but those tyres aint.

ps if you ride everywhere stood up you can bin the saddle, post and seat clamp to save 8lbs... 🙄

Cocked that up.....

Combined weight of me and bike.

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109.3 - 96.4 = 12.9kg or 28.4lbs

Ok, muddy feet on a bathroom scales ain't gonna cut it.

You need the original weight of the bike, what model and year is it?

components you have swapped out? Should be able to calculate the weight saving from there easily enough.

components you have swapped out? Should be able to calculate the weight saving from there easily enough.

You're over complicating things, the bike weight is what it is despite what may or may not have been changed....ditto my weight.
The bike has been weighed as a whole now, it doesn't matter that the original shock weighed when it was binned.

As much as some have had their noses put out of joint the fact remains it's a 28lb trail/AM bike....

Truthfully I'm chuffed to bits with the bike and also slightly trolling those who parade their AM bikes on here at 32lbs and seem pleased.

96kg? I take it you were soaked to the bone? There's some serious poundage to save there! 😉

I liked my old trance, yours looks very nice.

But why do people feel the need to weigh things?

My other hobby is weightlifting, I've been over 100kg before.

the fact remains it's a 28lb trail/AM bike.

Today. Yesterday it was 26.

I'd go for a ride now before it becomes too heavy to pedal next week. 😉

dangeourbrain - Member
But why do people feel the need to weigh things?

Helps justify building a bike with a ropey spec

Woodster....already admitted the 26lb was purely on luggage scales, got a more accurate reading this morning with the combination of my weight and the bike on scales.

2lb out it isn't bad.

I'm just a bike confused how a bike with circa 2kg fork and 1.5kg of rubber on it could get so light...

Not taking away from the bike itself, purely querying the accuracy here.

Truthfully I'm chuffed to bits with the bike....

Excellent. That's what counts.

...and also slightly trolling those who parade their AM bikes on here at 32lbs and seem pleased

Why? My Rocket weighs nearly 32lbs.... That's 32lbs of pure awesome 😀

Nice Trance but I couldn't not have a dropper post.

If you hadn't mentioned the inaccurate weight claims this would have been a much more interesting thread! My money puts the true weight at 28-29lbs based on the similar builds on my hardtail and full-sus (27 and 31lbs respectively) and thus a bit more with a dropper.

Cheap luggage scales or any bathroom scales are too inaccurate if you want an absolute reading which is accurate to half a pound. Just because it's a digital read out doesn't mean it's true! 😉

I'm more interested in the geometry post mods and how the rear suspension behaves with the extra travel?

I'm more interested in the geometry post mods and how the rear suspension behaves with the extra travel?

This too, unless I'm mistaken giant keep the rear travel at 140mm on the SX so that's a hell of an increase

My money puts the true weight at 28-29lbs based on the similar builds on my hardtail and full-sus (27 and 31lbs respectively) and thus a bit more with a dropper.

Which basically means that the only reason this bike looks light is that it doesn't have a dropper on it

Trance, with a few mods to show what can be done

*This*, this is what can be done. 😆
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And properly light. 😯
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This too 8)
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This too
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/show-us-your-home-made-bikes

EDIT:
I also forgot, for the sceptics, some FS can be uber light, despite what seems a mundane frame...
http://www.cebucycling.com/index.php?topic=3209.0

unless I'm mistaken giant keep the rear travel at 140mm on the SX so that's a hell of an increase

rear shock has also been swapped out from the standard 200x51 to a longer stroke 200x57 giving around 156mm rear travel

Now that's nice

Ok, a few answers....good thread it seems to have provoked some debate.

You all really need to feel a Trance frameset, they're so light it makes you question the purpose of carbon.

Next, air suspension all round, the X-fusion Sweeps are I believe lighter than Pikes.

1x10.....nuff said.

Carbon bars.
Carbon post arrived this morning.

Sub 100gm carbon saddle.

Tactic/Telsa wheels, not the lightest but certainly not the heaviest.

Maxxis folding tyres, no dual ply, wire carcass behemoths here.

35mm stem.

As for the ride, Giant point out that putting 160mm forks on takes the HA out to 66 degrees....the 156mm the longer stroke shock gives doesn't detract from the pedaling, if anything it means you can take liberties that you might have reservations about with the standard 140mm.

Next up is a Works Component angle set, I'm thinking just the single degree as I don't want to drop the BB too much and I think 65 degrees is fine for a trail/occasional race bike.

But why are you making a bike very light when you are pretty heavy. You may be 96kg of pure muscle, but that’s still damn heavy, especially for a bike that light! Surely you will destroy light wheels etc very quickly?

Also, if you are making a bike for mainly DH stuff (assuming so because you don’t have a dropper), then why have you essentially overbuilt a light trail/xc bike? Why not just buy a Giant Reign which is meant for bigger DH stuff.

It’s a nice bike by the way, you just seem slightly hypocritical in the way you have responded.

Summary: I would prefer a fit for purpose 30lb+ bike rather than a very light compromised bike.

Are Giant OK with increasing the A2C with a longer fork?

I enquired about doing that to a ~2012 Trance any they didn't recommend it and said warranty would be void.

pikes, according to a quick Google, are 70g lighter than sweeps

1x10, nuff said. Is it? What kit?

My 70mm stem is 93g. I guess your 35mm one doesn't weigh 46.5g.

Sorry to keep coming back to this, but seeing as you are...

....also slightly trolling those who parade their AM bikes on here at 32lbs and seem pleased.

I'm gonna call you on it.

Are Giant OK with increasing the A2C with a longer fork?

They always say that but the 26" trance 1 came with 140mm as standard.

I have an almost identical spec trance to you. The lightest I've had it was 27.8 pounds. That was with xtr crankset, light specialized tyres, (tubeless ) and a reverb .On the same scales a carbon nomad with carbon wheels was 1.5 pounds heavier.
I now run heavier tyres and an slx chainset.

I would ignore anyone questioning the authenticity of your measurements. They are just 'alternative weights' and as good as anyone else's. Just saying.

1x10.....nuff said.

Yes but thats a deore rear mech and slx cranks...not exactly the lightest

ps you need to up your troll game

fwiw it looks lovely but you should have just bought a reign!

[quote=deviant]
You all really need to feel a Trance frameset, they're so light it makes you question the purpose of carbon.

Test rode a Reign, didn't like it.....may as well have bought a DH bike....which I may do later this year, the YT Tues still looks good.

I'm sure Giant built in enough tolerance for my 95kg+ weight! To think otherwise would be naive.

Giant are fine with the 160mm forks, it's how the bike was sold in SX version.

My daily rider is a Dartmoor Hornet HT, the Trance is very much a Jack of all trades.....long enough travel for rough stuff, light enough for all day duties, just about slack enough for Enduro and DH....and I've had the pleasure of building it up from frame only.

[b]Deviant[/b]

First of, love the bike! I don't own a Giant but the Trance is a lovely frameset. Very clean and uncluttered.

As for weight? I haven't a clue. I'm not there to weigh it! Anyway NASA could calibrate some scales and people on here would still argue the point. No offence guys, it's just the Stw way! 😉

Glad your chuffed with the ride, [b]that's[/b] what really matters.

Lastly, if 96kg is massive, weight wise,I'm doomed!

Currently 15st 10lb here!
(Mines not muscle either. 😀 )

I just weighed my anthem 26.8lb
Rock shox SID RCT3
FOX CTD boost shock
XT 10 speed 3x10
Arch EX on hope pro 2 evo SP
Racing Ralph's F/R tubeless
FSA Carbon bars
Reverb

So if I loose the reverb, 2 rings on the front, front mech and shifter and change the arch EX for crests I should be 26lb??

Sh#t come-on deviant what's the secret?

Didnt the Trance come with Carbon wheels from Giant? Yup, the 1 came with Carbon wheels at 1610g a pair. I nearly bought that model when Pauls had them discounted.

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Actual weight for complete bike with X0 Eagle, carbon frame, carbon rocker, Giant carbon wheels and Rockshox Pike is 12.26kg (27.03lb).

No pedals either.

No pedals either

Yup, they add pounds to a bike, I've heard somewhere.

Sorry forgot to add it's also got carbon bars..
So add some pedals 380grams..and £5999 later you've been ripped off.
Clearly carbon adds weight to a bike 😀

If you're pushing 95kgs whether your bike weighs 13kgs or more like 14.5kgs will make stuff all difference.

Nice bike though

Yup, they add pounds to a bike, I've heard somewhere.

Best part of a lb though, which puts that closer to 28lbs.

Also worth bearing in mind is it's a trail bike I've effectively made slacker and more burly...if this was a Reign I was claiming 26lbs for then yes I'd expect to be laughed off the forum!

The thread was a handy helper for Trance owners who maybe think they need something 'more' (Reign) when in fact you can fit long forks, slacken out the HA and change the rear travel to almost 160mm with a few subtle cheap mods....hey presto you've just built the long travel trail bike you wanted, it still pedals well and descends like a demon to boot. Win/win.

Except if you ride it like a 160mm, 65 degree head angled bike should be - the frame will last all of one season of racing - perhaps not even that.

I could get my alu Reign down to about 27lb - but that would defeat the point of the bike, carbon saddle, carbon bars, carbon cranks, carbon rims (or Crests), CX-Rays, DT Swiss 240 hubs, crappy non piggyback shock, XTR race brakes, 300 g pedals - I think I worked out I could do a total of 4.5lbs of weight shaving if I really really wanted to. But then it would be a noodly POS with a spikey rear shock.

Best part of a lb though, which puts that closer to 28lbs.

Op was saying he could shave pound[b]s[/b] off by changing Nano's for plastic ones....

I know, that's why I mentioned it having no pedals.

Seems bizarre the OPs scales make the bike weigh so little, but pedals weigh so much.

Having just gone from El Plastique to Nano X pedals, the difference is 100g.

Suggest you get your scales checked... Nanos add 3lb over el plastico 😀
I know on paper nanos weigh 440g, it's just a weird thing that happens when you attach them to a bike.

http://flowmountainbike.com/features/bike-check-josh-carlsons-giant-reign-advanced/