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Dear Confuddle of Berkshire.
Short version.
Charger 2 damper
This is RockShox current range-topping damper. It's a fully sealed unit that uses a bladder to keep the damping oil isolated from the air. It's available in different formats depending on the application, but the three main specs are the basic RC with adjustable rebound and low-speed compression to lockout, the RCT3 with three position compression setting from lock-pedal-open with low-speed compression adjustment in the open mode and the RC2 which gets high and low-speed adjustable compression damping plus rebound. The latter is only seen on dedicated gravity forks.
Charger 2.1 damper
This is an updated version of the Charger 2 damper seen on 'Ultimate' forks with some changes to the valving, such as less high-speed compression damping and more low-speed compression damping to make the fork sit up high in its travel.
There is also a new piston wear band inside the damper which is said to better manage oil flow, while a new rod seal from SKF is claimed to reduce friction by upwards of 30% at the rebound shaft.
It is available in RC2 and RCT3 versions, with the same differences in adjustment as the regular Charger range.
Motion Control
This is the mid-range damper and it comes in a few different formats. All are emulsion dampers, where the damping oil isn't separated from the air in the fork, which can lead to less precisely controlled damping when the two materials mix -become an emulsion - under more extreme use. Not having the damping oil under any positive pressure - as it is in a sealed damper - can lead to loss of damping control due to cavitation as well, though this is rare.
Debonair spring
This is the premium air spring that RockShox offers. It uses a higher volume self-balancing negative air spring relative to the standard Solo Air design to offer reduced breakaway force for better small bump compliance and a more linear starting stroke.
Dual Position Air spring
This is an air spring that allows you to externally adjust the travel by up to 30mm, depending on the fork.
Solo Air spring
This is the standard air spring seen on RockShox forks. It's called Solo air because you only need to add air to a single valve and the spring will equalise the negative chamber by itself. At one point, they had a Dual Air spring that required you to do this via a second valve, hence the name.
Turn Key damper
This is the most simple and hence affordable damper seen on RockShox forks. It's a basic emulsion damper.
I copied that to my local machine, for my own reference. I got it from a longer article in one of the magazines - I just can't remember which one -sorry. If you copy a bit verbatim and paste it not Google the original will probably come up, since I cut and paste it verbatim.
Sorry brant, don’t get me wrong, Its an £800 bike, they are decent wheels for a bike that price just not what I’d want to ride.
Buy a more expensive bike then. It's not rocket science.
Cheers cromolyolly, although kula72 had it more succinctly!
So the revelation charger is the same idea as the fox grip damper, replace the bladder with an ifp to simplify it.
@TINAS Thanks for the info 👍
Cheers cromolyolly, although kula72 had it more succinctly!
Yeah but I cut and paste so it was quicker (for me)
So the revelation charger is the same idea as the fox grip damper, replace the bladder with an ifp to simplify it.
Yep, ifp with a coilspring, iirc.
Confusingly I think they call that the charger rc damper, but if you buy a fork with an rc suffix, it wont necessarily have the rc damper but it might - clear as mud?
The 35 seems to be a replacement for the last revelation rc, leading to speculation that the revelation rc might disappear leaving just one revelation like the reba? series. Or the revelation rc will get an upgraded damper or spring from the previous version so it will be halfway between the 35 and the 'better' revelation -although it's difficult to see how they could do that unless they bump up the spec on the better revelation too. Although I'm sure I read somewhere that there are actually 2 debonairs so maybe that comes into it. I think the 35 has cheaper seals and the like vs the revelation rc.
So 35 = debonair + motion control
'old' revelation rc = debonair + motion control
Revelation charger rc = debonair + charger rc
Buy a more expensive bike then. It’s not rocket science.
But I want a scandal, I loved my racing green scandal. Its the only bike I regret selling.
I was asking what people thought of the build and my reply was to brant.
I've bought a frame only and I will build it up but considered the full build and asked for people's comments.
Thanks for your input though
Hi Brant
I have a scandal complete sat in my basket 😬 but I wanted to know if I could pick it up from your factory as I am only 20mins away,if this is possible how do I cancel the delivery charge
Thanks
Hi Brant
I have a scandal complete sat in my basket 😬 but I wanted to know if I could pick it up from your factory as I am only 20mins away,if this is possible how do I cancel the delivery charge
Thanks
If that becomes possible we'd issue a refund. We have nothing in place yet, but it might be an option if we do our new "Sunday nighter" format we're working on.
Though we'd definitely try and sell you a box of something instead of giving you any money back.
TLDR? "Get it bought"
Brant
When does the £200 preorder offer end, may need to sort some bank stuff first next week!
Cheers
Drops to £150 discount a week on Thursday.
19th September then? That should fit in well for me. Thanks
I've gone for an xl bike! Whoop whoop!
Is there any chance of getting an uncut steerer tube so I can set it to my height?
I normally have a huge stack of spacers under the stem.
Is there any chance of getting an uncut steerer tube so I can set it to my height?
I normally have a huge stack of spacers under the stem.
Yes. What’s your sales order number?
Hi Brant - have ordered a frame, thinking over a full build although I have a fair few parts ready to put on, would you consider a Frame+Fork type bundle?
Hi Brant – have ordered a frame, thinking over a full build although I have a fair few parts ready to put on, would you consider a Frame+Fork type bundle?
We can’t offer the fork that’s fitted to the bike as a combo due to our assembly agreements with SRAM.
Cheers Brant,
I've pm'd you.
Martin
Are there any pictures of the full builds yet?
I would imagine there are no full build photos currently due to the frames most likely being in a container traversing the high seas...
Any codes for the Tempest at present Brant? Just about to order but thought I would check first.
Cheers.
Sort to be a pain Brant but what are delivery times likely to be on a medium Tempest if you get them in stock on the 20th?
Been humming and hawing over this and now the discount has been reduced to £75, says both £100 and £75 on website front page which is a bit misleading.
£100 off a frame right now with code PREORDER100
and £200 off a complete bike with code PREORDER200
You snooze you loose. Brant said, 3 days ago "a week next Thursday" the discount changes
Website updated.
£200 bike discount finishes tonight.
Was hoping for a mistyped £750 off on the website Brant 🤪
I think I might have announced the end of the £200 bike discount a week early.
I’ll have to check tomorrow.
Ps: GX Eagle model with carbon bars launching tomorrow at £1199.99 with £299 intro discount.
Ps: GX Eagle model with carbon bars launching tomorrow at £1199.99 with £299 intro discount.
Looks like it'll be the 3rd time I'll change my order 🙂
(Still hoping I'll change it a 4th time when you add a dropper)
Think this would be decent for someone 6ft 3 who's planning to try XC racing or bit too burly?
launching tomorrow at £1199.99 with £299 intro discount.
Brant, how do you get £299 discount? It defaults to £200 but then gives you £204 discount.
Thanks
I have no idea why I wrote £299. I meant to write £200.
Actually I know exactly why I wrote that. It was caused by a hipster 6.0% hazy ipa.
It’s meant to be £999.99 but 17% takes off a bit more than £200.
So if we send you some Trappist beer over we might get a bargain?
Send more IPA for a bigger discount !
The fully built bike looks great! Colour is fab. Would like to know how it rides.
About time someone made a 29er frame with upto date geometry and a bargain to boot. Awaiting big dog with interest
That orange looks really nice built-up - I'm wondering now whether I should have ordered that rather than the black!
Was there a frame weight in the end?
Was there a frame weight in the end?
Simon knows. I'll ask him.
From the website:
Frame weight - 2.05kg Med
That GX build is amazing value btw.
From the website:
Frame weight – 2.05kg Med
So an XL could be a bit portly. I was hoping it would be 1800 ish.
Brant would putting 27.5 wheels on this frame cause any issue 🙂
Brant would putting 27.5 wheels on this frame cause any issue 🙂
We must get a b+ wheel in the back for a clearance check.
If you’re actually going to do the lower back higher front thing then I do think that’s daft as seat angle kicks back but the chainstay length isn’t short so it’ll be ok ish.
Oh btw the seat angle is prob a degree steeper than it says due to how I measure mine.
It’s meant to be a 29er.
Putting ickle wheels in it will make it lower and that.
Brant, are the full bikes getting priority over just the frames?
Frames: Due In: Mid October
Bikes showing as in stock we aim to build on Tuesday 17th of September.
Or as the frames were put up first they have just not been updated yet?
Thanks
Brant, are the full bikes getting priority over just the frames?
Frames aren’t in stock. Bikes are on preorder.
When frames arrive bikes will get built and frames shipped out.
Bike builds will be scheduled for day frames arrive to get ahead. Though of course now very many bikes sold so we probably have several days (we build 30 bikes a day) of bike builds to do.
So an XL could be a bit portly. I was hoping it would be 1800 ish.
Is 4.5lbs a lot these days? Would have said that’s a decent weight for something that isn’t a XC racer. Maybe I’m out of touch. My Genesis Tarn is about twice that weight 😂