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hark at beej swallowed an encyclopedia 😉


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:05 pm
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They seem to climb faster than I descend 😥


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:06 pm
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Cut and paste from Inner Ring!


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:09 pm
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:12 pm
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ffs


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:13 pm
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Motorbikes 😯 🙁


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:14 pm
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jeez, how the hell can that happen when the people there to keep them safe are messing up their seasons and even careers.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:14 pm
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That's the entire giro over for sky


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:15 pm
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Not looking good for Yates either


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:16 pm
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...is it a bit off for the leaders to by pushing on? Clearly no fault accident


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:20 pm
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2.22 for g


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:21 pm
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sky will remember this


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:22 pm
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You think Sky would wait if Movistar got taken out? Very, very unfortunate but they were racing already.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:23 pm
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Landa looks borked


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:26 pm
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G would have gone well to hang in there if he hadn't crashed, that's brutal from movistar


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:29 pm
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agreed, but would have been good to find out in a fair fight.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:31 pm
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mind, this is still good 😯


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:33 pm
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Rooting for Pinot here. I like Pinot.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:33 pm
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Nice work from Nibali here


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:35 pm
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Good ride from pinot..


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:45 pm
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Nibbles pops.


 
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Good ride from pinot..

right up until you said

Good ride from pinot..

[edit] looks like he's recovered a bit


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:48 pm
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30 seconds, I think Pinot and Dumoulin would have taken that at the start of the day.

And business as usual for Sky at the Giro!


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 3:54 pm
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Interesting stage. Here's my observations and predictions.

When will the cycling press stop talking about Tejay vG as a GT contender? And G to join him in that camp shortly.

Nibali, clearly not on top form but can't be ruled out yet.

Dumoulin to supply interest but ultimately fall short.

Mollema to unspectacularly ride himself into the top ten at least.

I'm hoping Pinot has continued to improve his time trialing.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 4:40 pm
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Sky should pull out in protest.

It's about time someone grew a pair of political balls and made a stand.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 4:43 pm
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G had his shoulder "popped out". You have to wonder what the organisers would have done if it was Nibbles and team Bahrain–Merida wiped out by a motorcycle.


 
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Kind of agree with bikebouy. No one wants to see a bunch of GC riders eliminated that way. But there's always been crashes, could just have easily been a bit of road furniture or a dodgy bit of tarmac. Should teams walk out whenever there's a crash? Ridiculous place to park a motorbike though.

And yet again Quintana presses on and gains time on everyone in slightly controversial circumstances in the Giro. Can't blame him though on a stage he need to win big on with a TT coming up after the rest day.

When will the cycling press stop talking about Tejay vG as a GT contender? And G to join him in that camp shortly.

See them a bit like Wiggins really. Given the perfect course, circumstances, opposition, then possibly.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 4:58 pm
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No one wants to see a bunch of GC riders eliminated that way. But there's always been crashes, could just have easily been a bit of road furniture or a dodgy bit of tarmac

there's a big difference between road furniture/potholes and outside human influences like cars, motorcycles and "spectators" one is a mishap the other can be deliberate (not saying that this is btw) Hence when this kind of incidence happens the fairest thing to do is to neutralize the race.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 5:04 pm
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Is this the end of senior riders controlling the peloton in these circumstances? Or as they were already pushing on it was fair to continue?


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 5:05 pm
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See them a bit like Wiggins really. Given the perfect course, circumstances, opposition, then possibly.

You might be right about G but van Garderen?


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 5:07 pm
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I feel the the race should have been neutralised there. Commentary suggested it was a difficult decision to make, but I don't think it was. They were just hitting the start of the climb, and the climb was the race. That would have been far from ideal, but when a moto takes out several GC riders...

Nibali, clearly not on top form but can't be ruled out yet.

Nibali's not always the best of climbers when with the top of the field. I think he often wins races with the risks he takes. Let's see if he can pull anything out of the bag.

Dumoulin to supply interest but ultimately fall short.

Would expect him to take the pink jersey on Tuesday. Will be interesting to see by how much. He could be in a very good position considering how well he went today.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 5:23 pm
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Its Sunday, its the Blockhaus, Italian TV would have melted down if the had neutralised it at that point. Especially after the (bit of a)non event on Etna.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 7:21 pm
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Shame, it's f***** the race.


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 10:45 pm
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It's ****ed the race as a GC contest, but we might see some great racing if the losers from today start looking for stage wins


 
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@TvG, can't see why anyone has any expectations of him other than failure. He'll make a good climbing domestique though - tall enough to provide good shelter and a big engine.

@G, bit gutted, he doesn't need any help falling off, seems to have that mastered already. Would have liked to see how he could have done with no mishaps, but tbh i never expected him on the podium.

@dumoulin, nice ride, will be interesting to see how much time he takes back on TT.

Sky may as well just withdraw G and Landa, get them rested up and prep for the TdF

Definitely beginning to get a bit p'd off with moto incidents over the last couple of years


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 10:52 pm
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Never been impressed with TVG. When the incident happened the race was on so no problems with Movistar et al pushing on. Nairo was fantastic, a well deserved win. Had my eye on Pinot for a while, thought he might break through this year and he did well. Dumoulin? was impressive, but I was surprised to see jungels and nibbles blow so early. Nairo to lose pink in the TT, maybe even off the podium, but he'll get it back in the Alps


 
Posted : 14/05/2017 11:04 pm
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Finally kicked off the last couple of days then.

Very unfortunate incident with the Moto but looks like it was just individual stupidity by the police officer?

The race was well under way, I don't agree it should have been neutralised. Plenty of GC interest remaining, even if the winner looks obvious now.


 
Posted : 15/05/2017 12:11 am
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Well considering Team Sky and G both said the pack was racing and neither would have expected them to neutralise the stage, then there's really not a lot else to add on that side.

Of course it should never have happend... but it did....

It does however mean the Giro is essentially finished and won now barring another strange incident. I just can't see anyone pushing Quintana now. Whether Landa or G could have stayed with the Movistar push is open to debate, but the race would have been stronger for it that's for sure.


 
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Very unfortunate incident with the Moto but looks like it was just individual stupidity by the police officer?

Was it not really collective stupidity by the peleton? The motorbike was in a stupid place but it wasnt moving. I thought the convention of bunch riding was to point out hazards, it was a fairly straight road and there was space to the right, surely if anyone is at fault it is the lead riders of the team in whites train?


 
Posted : 15/05/2017 1:47 pm
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It wasn't really on a straight bit. It was right after a left-hand hairpin followed by a right-hand curve. There probably was enough time to react, but it's not like they had 2k of clear vision.

I guess the thing is, in a bunch RR, it's common place to have the motos pull just [b][i]off[/i][/b] the road into junctions, gateways, driveways, etc. Even in lower cat races in the UK the NEG riders do this. So that's what the riders are all expecting: moto = off road.


 
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Was it not really collective stupidity by the peleton?

The peloton is racing flat out at that point fighting for positioning into the climb. They'd be taking up every inch of tarmac and it'd be a fairly loud and chaotic environment.

Given the situation, the speeds involved, the expectation of moto behaviour, I wouldn't be surprised if riders on the nose hadn't actually realised the moto was stationary until it was way too late. And the guys in the wheels, they've got no chance of spotting it.

Some reading on the first week...
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/05/10-talking-points-wild-first-week-2017-giro-ditalia/
http://inrng.com/2017/05/giro-rest-day-2017/


 
Posted : 15/05/2017 4:01 pm
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The peloton is racing flat out at that point fighting for positioning into the climb. They'd be taking up every inch of tarmac and it'd be a fairly loud and chaotic environment.

It's becoming a self fulfilling prophecy "no quarter" = manic racing into pinch points = more crashes = more manic racing into pinch points = more teams not wanting to be on the wrong side of a crash = less room = more crashes = more manic racing etc. It's also worth noting on the tdf when the motorcyclist wiped out chasers on the climb (froome running in cleats) they changed the time of the riders to reflect the delay caused by the incident.


 
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Stage 10 Foligno > Montefalco the Earthquake Time Trial

After the start in Foligno, which will host the Giro for the 7th time, the route quickly leaves the old town centre and takes relatively wide and mainly straight roads for over 12 kilometres, until past Bevagna (time recording). The route then starts to climb at an average 4-5% gradient, and reaches Madonna delle Grazie, where the road becomes a false flat up. A fast-running and technical descent twists and turns all the way to San Marco, where the road flattens and straightens out. The route takes a U-turn in Bastardo (second time recording), then a false-flat uphill drag leads to Montefalco. The slopes are never steep, yet the climb is unrelenting. The road, narrowed at points, leads all the way to the walled city of Montefalco (unprecedented stage town). The final kilometres are slightly uphill. In the last kilometre, the route descends and passes through a gateway, and then goes up again, on a short, steep ramp, leading into the 200-m long, uphill home straight, on 6-m wide asphalt road.

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Posted : 16/05/2017 7:57 am
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Hoping to see Dumoulin in pink at the end of the day. Always been a fan - it's heartening to see a big rider keep up (just) on the climbs.


 
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