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Tom.
HOTS on several occasions.
Mince baby mince.
Got to be careful when you big yourself up on here.
Specially when you ride round on a [s]Krampus[/s] clown bike with funny bars.
Never know who you've ridden with.🤡
All gone a bit surreal now! Lol
Here’s an article on that Lapierre.
17.5kg
https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/2019-lapierre-ezesty-and-more-at-eurobike-day-2.1018/
Okaaaay. That type of event, one that includes a cider stop. And plenty of beer before and after. And a raffle. Not exactly WC DH racing is it?
Anyway, do we have friends in common or are you just stalking me? You seem lovely, but i'm already taken 😚
l'd happily take you (platonically like) around one of my E Devon loops, and when you're blowing out your arse we can discuss if it's all just mince-core then.
Got to be careful when you big yourself up on here.
Specially when you ride round on a
Krampusclown bike with funny bars
Okay, so it's stalking then.
Never knowingly bigged myself up. I tend to be quite self deprecating generally.
And you sir are coming across a bit weird.
I didn’t know some were 27.5
They're not, they've got the text wrong
Swoon @ ajantom.....
oow bless he's got out of bed just to reply.
Back to bed now lad your trolling is done.😘
I now realise it's one of those threads
Yeah, started off ok.... Then went Black Mirror.
Where's the naughty ladies at then Mike?😀
Nobody has enough mind bleach for the strippers single speeders like
In terms of their evolution, I think aesthetics will be the focus for a while, in terms of making them not look like they have batteries and a motor. The New Ribble Road E Bike looks just like a road bike, which I think you could have some real fun with on the climbs.
Post Brexit there will be the option to legislate to have different legal cutout speeds. California has different types. Class 1 which cuts out at 20mph and is allowed on roads and bike paths unless prohibited by local bylaws.
I came across a Trek E-bike roadshow on tour last year in California. I tested a class 1. It was a revelation. With moderate pedal effort I was doing 19mph on the flat or slight uphill. If they were on the market here I'd buy one for commuting. The EU 15mph doesn't do it for me.
https://www.electricbike.com/california-ebike-laws/
The class 3 which cuts out power at 28mph is correctly restricted to the roads. whether public opinion here would go with 28mph E bikes is debateable but a 20mph limit might be possible with the right campaign.
US is nothing like the UK in terms of road law, access laws etc. Useless comparison.
Black mirror threads are the best ones. Also, that is a classic Simpson's episode!! The town hall bit is pretty much my opinion of all politics. 🙂
The class 3 which cuts out power at 28mph is correctly restricted to the roads. whether public opinion here would go with 28mph E bikes is debateable but a 20mph limit might be possible with the right campaign.
Think the urban side of it will make regulation / registration a cert, which makes it equally certain that off-road use will come under the microscope.
The Washington state ebike legislation earlier this year was reported as 'Hallelujah, ebikes banned off road,' but really that move was brought about by cycling campaigners trying to enhance ebike provision on the road, by putting them all on a clear legal footing. It seemed that off-road e-cycling was a casualty of the law [which is no joke - default position of ebikes banned off road unless land owner says otherwise, in an area bigger than England, numerous state parks etc] - ebikers must have somehow failed to marshall persuasive arguments that could have influenced the law in their favour.
But I find it weird that that someone on a cycling forum thinks its weird that someone else isn’t a fan of certain types of motorized bicycles
I find it very weird that someone who likes cycling would rather stop cycling completely as they get older, rather than use an ebike and carry on enjoying riding bikes.
But hey, you stuck to your guns and pack in cycling, just to prove yourself right. Won’t have any effect on me 👍
US is nothing like the UK in terms of road law, access laws etc. Useless comparison.
Indeed. It would be more useful to look closer to home for comparisons. Like pretty much all of mainland Europe.
Ebike acceptance is way ahead of where we currently are. And Speed pedelecs (45km/h assist) are also allowed in a lot of Northern European countries.
I think that lapierre is a step towards where we should end up. Lose the Turbo function, you can then have a smaller battery and motor. My ideal would be a system that assists you on the climbs rather than allows you to fly up them like a 1990’s TdF rider!! I’ve had a very brief go on one and it was a cool experience yo have that huge burst of power available on the turbo setting, and so can really see how the eco normal seating could be great on big days out in the Lakes or anywhere to be honest.
I do think ebikes are here to stay and will only get more popular, I’m firmly in the don’t give a monkeys what you ride camp. I’m more concerned with how you ride it to be honest, riding like an arse will get us all banned from trails regardless if it’s on a single speed or ebike.
"US is nothing like the UK in terms of road law, access laws etc. Useless comparison."
What has different USA road laws to do with anything? I was pointing out that the 15mph doesn't have to be set in stone. Other countries have higher E-bike speeds. Increase E-bike speeds to 20 and the speed differential in the increasing number of urban 20mph zones is minimal I prefer urban traffic situations where my bike speed is close to or the same as the other traffic. A 20mph E-bike would make this far more common especially in hilly areas.
"Speed pedelecs (45km/h assist) are also allowed in a lot of Northern European countries."
Allowed here too just need to do the paper work and register it correctly.
Sales will increase, prices will come down but there’s a limit on the battery and motor technology that hasn’t been solved by anyone yet - electric cars have far more R&D put in to them but they are still essentially using the same battery that’s in your smartphone
Europe is ahead of the UK in adopting them, and has a less sniffy attitude, but eventually we’ll catch up. I don’t have one, don’t particularly want or need one but eventually I expect to become an owner.
Threads like these are every other MTB development. Flat bar/riser suss forks/rigid, spd/flats. Pick a side, be a dick about it.
Development : lighter, more powerful motors... As that's the only way they differ from regular bikes, it's the only area worth developing, and the only way developments go is more bang for you buck
From a utility point of view I hope they take off.
Far better use of space and roads than cars.
@ colp, your experience pretty much mirrors my own. It's a surprisingly good and agile bike without e assist. The rear shock does an excellent job of managing drops and trail chatter / rock gardens.
Most of my time is above the 15mph limit so no assist which is fine, then it kicks in to keep the flow.
I don't like the mechanical rubbing noise when pedalling without assist, sounds like rubbing discs. Maybe that's mine.
Further evolution would be noise reduction, as well as weight and battery life.
One of my old customers, ZF Automotive, who cut all ties with Bosch to buy TRW, is getting into ebike motors so there's more competition coming and volumes could easily start to beat car sales in Europe with better margins. Therefore more money in R&D.
There was a 2019 Levo carbon outside the Ohlins rig on Friday that had a coil rear shock and 170 forks that looked nice. Not sure on the rear travel or how it would handle. Didnt feel any lighter than the 2018 carbon one.
From a utility point of view I hope they take off.
Crikey! They get enough hate now without people making flying ones.
I’m liking the 750Wh batteries that are coming through from spesh & hiabike (& others but these are the big guys), especially if the overall package is not gaining weight when they do so. I personally dislike the jam system, one battery that’s too small or add a battery into a really crap place on the frame balance wise. The general consensus seems to be well get double/triple the range on the same sized battery in the next 5+ years which I’m looking forward to..
As I find I get range anxiety with my 500Wh battery, & that’s with mainly using the eco mode. I’ve totally sacked off the turbo mode on my shimano powered unit, but I really don’t fancy carrying an extra battery. Unless they bring out a 250Wh unit that’s nice & light, to guarantee a good range to get you home.
I’ve heard of groups of guys that only use them in the ‘turbo’ mode & carry an extra battery to do so, which I find disappointing & does exemplify the ‘its all about me & **** everyone else ’ culture we have. Thankfully I don’t believe it will affect (as some of you want it to) any access, as still most ppl still don’t realise your riding an e-bike, and they will only get less easy to identify with smaller motors & hidden batteries.
Ssstu, assuming you tested them locally, what did you see range wise from the kenovo vs the levo? I’m thinking the kenovo with a 750 battery would be great but do wonder if it will happen, as it’s marketed as an uplift alternative rather than an out all day, type of bike.
For some of the riding I do (quick nip out to session local tracks), I’d like a smaller capacity lighter alternative to the Bosch 500 battery the Trek came with. I’d swear the one it came with must be lead acid!
Zippy.
Did 42 miles of local stuff yesterday.
Mainly eco with a little bit of trail and one silly climb up a DH track in boost...
Kenevo was on it's last bar Levo still had around 1/4 of its total left.
Levo was also quicker on climbs even when we switched bikes just to make sure it wasn't my extra weight over Amanda slowing the Kenevo down.
Show me someone who is anti e-bikes and I will show you someone who can't afford and e-bike 😉
The Lapierre looks really good, I think the tech will plateau for a good while. My main issue (well with my Merida eOne-Twenty) is motor protection. I took a tumble off a drop off on a steep downhill section (still getting used to the weight) and my motor casing took a hit. Having the motors more enclosed would be great, but I guess cooling would then become and issue. Maybe more effective waterproofing? I believe the Bosch motors can suffer a bit in this regard?
Anyway, don't wait buy one now they are ace!! I wish I could have got one years ago.
Did 42 miles of local stuff yesterday
Bugger, that's impressive, I wish I could get close to that & would be loads happier with that sort of range, assuming the motors were on full time and no manual cycling (other than over the speed restriction). Interesting that the new Levo is quicker too, and more efficient.. Anecdotally we believe my shimano Eco is more powerful than the bosch, but I use more battery quicker than them.
I want PedelecS to become adopted in the UK or some way of having a legal (even if it means a number plate/insurance) 30mph capable ebike that would offer a lighter more bike like version of a petrol powered 50cc scooter.
yep you can have but it will mean, because at a glance you can't always tell it's not powered or a 15mph type, all bikes will need licencing/plates/insurance and mot.
"I want PedelecS to become adopted in the UK or some way of having a legal (even if it means a number plate/insurance) 30mph capable ebike that would offer a lighter more bike like version of a petrol powered 50cc scooter."
They are. You just need a type approved one for paperwork you can't build your own.
Peugeot do a decent quality one.
"Anecdotally we believe my shimano Eco is more powerful than the bosch, but I use more battery quicker than them."
That ties in with my experience last week in the cairngorms
my Trek powerfly9 bosch drive 2 years old versus Scott Shimano drive . both of us about the same 95 kg we did a ride of 40 miles with 3600 ft of climbing and the last 20 miles with a brutal headwind we both used eco for all the ride and he ran out in the last 200 mtrs where as I still had 1 bar left but it also said 0 miles range so I guess mine was not far from depletion
“I want PedelecS to become adopted in the UK or some way of having a legal (even if it means a number plate/insurance) 30mph capable ebike that would offer a lighter more bike like version of a petrol powered 50cc scooter.”
They are. You just need a type approved one for paperwork you can’t build your own.
Peugeot do a decent quality one.
It's essentially type approved as a moped though, ie you need a license and stuff. It's not suitable.
Due to e-bikes removing some of the concerns about weight of equipment I believe Troy Lee will make metal body armour that allows you to look like Ironman.
"It’s essentially type approved as a moped though, ie you need a license and stuff. It’s not suitable."
In what way ? Vehicle that does speed needs mandatory training. More than suitable I'm afraid cNt have cake and eat it.
Threads like these are every other MTB development. Flat bar/riser suss forks/rigid, spd/flats. Pick a side, be a dick about it.
It's comments like this that make the haters hate and delight in taking the piss out of ebikers. Electric motors are not in any way, shape or form a development on a par with riser bars, spds or suspension.
Stuka-type air intake sirens to alert pedestrians and cyclists, so they move out of your way?
Solar powered charging stations built into all summit cairns (only those you can access by bridleway, of course)?
30mph pedal moped / ebike would be cool and open up many commutes but no way allowed on bike paths etc, 20mph on shared use bike paths would be out of order too. I don't have a problem with the requirement for testing as they they would be the same speed as mopeds.
assuming the motors were on full time and no manual cycling (other than over the speed restriction)
Motors were on full time.😜
Interesting that the new Levo is quicker too, and more efficient..
After a bit more testing today it seems that the Kenevo is as fast or even a little faster in trail than the Levo.
Both bikes set up Eco30, Trail60, Turbo100.
Levo still seems to have more range though.
Amanda's proper torn now between the two of them.
Levo seems more useful as a trail bike
Kenevo still smashes it on the downhills and seems more fun to ride.
Lighter & better range would be excellent. They wont get cheaper though. Ebikes will be the norm in 10 years or so, it will just be low end catalogue bikes that are un-powered.
Will still get a handful riding round on their singlespeed rigids & other pointless toss claiming everyone else is a cheat and crying about it.
Lighter & better range would be excellent.
Lighter battery tech is coming but not massively. If you want lighter and better range then you need to contribute more.... Lower powered motors giving you less help but over longer distances.