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Good one, miss interpreting what I wrote, I never said treat commuting like track racing only in terms of thinking about positioning, and minimising where things can come from.
In fact on further viewing there are no potholes on the inside of that road, you can see that on the vid. In fact I wish I had roads with that kind of quality of tarmac on my commute.
regardless of the potholes which the bloke who actually rides that road say are there and you (who presumably haven't) say are not, sticking to the left would leave space for a silly* car driver to attempt to squeeze between the rider and the truck, which is not a good thing.
*a silly car driver would attempt it, a sensible car driver wouldn't - I am not suggesting all car drivers are silly
Can I just check who on this thread is writing with professional experience? mildred is presumably a police officer - does cookeaa have any status in the legal system, or are you just spouting with no relevant experience?
Personally I'm still not quite sure how there is any lack of evidence of the rider aiming a kick.
The rider's position is entirely irrelevant to the case.
unless the policeman/CPSer in question viewed it and said "cheeky ****er is in the middle of the road, screw him, he deserves it, helmet cam warriors really get on my tits!" in which case it is, sadly, quite relevant 😥The rider's position is entirely irrelevant to the case.
Can I just check who on this thread is writing with professional experience? mildred is presumably a police office
Yes, I am speaking from professional experience, but also as a daily cycle commuter. Contrary to popular belief the Police don't hate cyclists because shockingly - many are also cyclists...!!!!!!
POV footage is great - do we doubt shop based CCTV when prosecuting shoplifters? No, course not. The thing is, video needs to be treated just like any other evidence. That is, it needs to be verifiable and integrity/continuity maintained. For example, in an incident where CCTV is available I will go and view it at source, and if it's any use I will 'cause' a copy or cd to be made. I will then 'seize' this evidence and book it into Police property, then have a number of viewable 'working copies' made (defence, prosecution etc...). This is all statemented and documented (even the booking in and out of the property store is documented) is used in the prosecution.
Quite often with POV you get a very selective edit presented in an indignant manner by someone who will settle for nothing less than a capital sentence; it's also often been around the Internet, again undermining its utility. Common sense is needed; that and patience.
Don't send it in the post - phone up report it as a crime. Get a Cop to visit you at home & offer a brew; show him or her the unedited footage and ask them their opinion. If you're reasonable with them they'll be reasonable with you.
Now I'm not suggesting that the cyclist in this footage hasn't been anything other than honest - but some if the stuff I see and hear challenges belief. Use common sense.
does cookeaa have any status in the legal system, or are you just spouting with no relevant experience?Personally I'm still not quite sure how there is any lack of evidence of the rider aiming a kick.
Unapologetically spouting of course (as that's what we generally do on this forum IME).
I simply don't think the footage is good enough quality and has the wrong angle to unequivocally say the moped rider was aiming a kick at the bike or its rider, I don't doubt the cyclists testimony that said kick was attempted, yes you can partially see a leg off the moped, but the devil is in the detail...
I reckon the rozzers should have been clearer, and that it is a quality of available evidence/witnesses issue, basically if it ain't quite in shot then unfortunately it didn't happen...
However the footage/audio does show the moped undertaking a cyclist (In a Bus lane?) and then chooses to delay this dodgy method of [I]making progress[/I] to have a shout at the cyclist, I think the Police could have successfully pursued him for that instead...
The rider's position is entirely irrelevant to the case.
Totally agree.
[quote=cookeaa ]Unapologetically spouting of course (as that's what we generally do on this forum IME).
That's fair enough - I was wondering if your opinion was based on relevant experience and I should pay attention rather than just ignore you 😉
sound advice from Mildred there - thanks