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Stage 18 • ANNECY > ANNECY • 40,5 km (ind. Time trial)
Let's hope Wiggo can pull back some real time!
Loving the tour in our house, looking froward to the TT.
Even Stoner Jr insists on wearing his helmet when he's watching the highlights. And "Peloton" is his favourite words at the moment 🙂
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what time do the TTs kick off?
And "Peleton" is his favourite
You could at least teach him to spell it properly 😉
Dont worry, he's got detention for getting that wrong.
looks like 11.10?
Yeah - they started around 10 UK time
is there no live coverage online today? tried a couple of feeds with no joy.
EDIT: live on Eurosport 1:15 UK time
can we get someone from the French stw contingent to set up a vpn so we can stream geo limited french telly ❓
so what are the odds on Cancellara winning, he was able to take it "easy" yesterday so may be a bit fresher than the GC contenders.
can we get someone from the French stw contingent to set up a vpn so we can stream geo limited french telly
I have a live feed from France Televisions here 🙂
I've just put on my TT helmet to join the helmet wearing gang, I guess I can watch it faster now.
ITV4 live coverage today. And I'm at home, Yeah!
Go Wiggo! err.... what time is he off?
so what are the odds on Cancellara winning, he was able to take it "easy" yesterday so may be a bit fresher than the GC contenders.
thats what i thought about wiggins when he tailed off on the last climb
Wiggins isnt leaving until 3.30 UK time.
i stayed in bed until 11 to rest up for the TT. I was shattered after yesterday's stage
either that or the fifth 13+ hour day at work in a row.
I see Thor's still rubbing it in...
Millar is next to go...
Cancellara only second...
miller into third at the first check.
cancelara 18 seconds down
I think live web coverage starts at 2:00 on itv.com/tour. It's live from 2 on ITV4 on the telly.
cancellara's pulled it back, Millars loosing time though.
Windy's running a recon for Wiggins, so not totally bothered about the time.
Millar cant keep on it, coming in 38s behind cancellara and also 26s behind ignatiev.
Has anyone jumped a red light yet?
Zabrinske isn't hanging around either. still not up with Cancellara. Still a couple of hours till the riders that matter start. lots can change.
anyone have a weather forecast for Annecy? all i can find is one that says showers, and trying to guess the weather on text feeds....
live feed now on ITV4 online
http://www.itv.com/Channels/ITV4/default.html
can't get the live ITV feed 🙁 i work through a dutch network, and i can't get the dutch feed as the firewall blocks it 🙁
I can only get adverts on itv.com
I'm not going to buy a samsung, oasis, or a seat
Am I right in thinking the Schlek Bros aren't all that when it comes to TTs?
comment from Andy yesterday to the effect, TTs aren't my strongest thing.
make of that what you will, and Andy Schleck lost c40secs to Wiggins on stage one, a course 15 km long, today is 40km.
Yeah, theyre not that good apparently.
Just switched to Eurosport & heard them saying there may be rain later but it shouldn't hurt the late runners too much as it's not too technical
Sounds about right - from a staying upright point of view
But, what if any benefit can be gained by the reduced friction that wet roads would offer?
can't get the live ITV feed i work through a dutch network, and i can't get the dutch feed as the firewall blocks it
ITV4 shows 20 minute ad packages with 5 minutes of cycling in between.
Try [url= http://www.p2pstation.net/index.html ]www.p2pstation.net[/url], [url= http://www.justin.tv/search?q=tour&x=0&y=0 ]www.justin.tv[/url], and www.cyclingfans.com
P2P and Justin normally have the Versus / ITV stream
But, what if any benefit can be gained by the reduced friction that wet roads would offer?
Thats not how it works..
Thats not how it works..
care to expand?
I don't see how rain wouldn't hurt later riders. Even if it's not too technical they'll definately be more cautious on the corners.
I'm just praying it stays dry
Well if anything, it will increase the rolling resistance.
Rolling resistance isnt the same as the friction you produce when you rub your hands together. If they were skidding down a mountain, then yes, water on the roads would make them go faster/further. But because the tyres flick up water constantly, energy is being lost moving the water around. Also, the tyres will be wet, so they will actually be slightly heavier.
Rolling resistance is more about how flexible the tyre is, and how well it can conform to the road in order to stop the momentum going in an upwards direction (eg: if you hit a stone, you want the tyre to conform, not to lift the whole bike up). Its also a little bit about how much the tyre sticks to the road, so how much energy is needed to lift the tyre away from the road. I dont know much about this, but logic would say that water might make a stronger bond between the road and tyre, acting almost as a glue. But I'm not certain.
Millar interviewed on Eurosport after he finished. He reckons that Wiggo will take 3+ mins out of Frank Schleck and 2 to 2.5 on Andy Schleck. He also said the climb is over 3 K though and the last 500m pretty hard.
but logic would say that water might make a stronger bond between the road and tyre, acting almost as a glue. But I'm not certain.
Until they cross a white line or a man hole cover, when they will crash
Yes, but thats all about sideways friction between the road and tyre, which the water reduces. Then it acts as a lubricant.
Between the tyre and road I think it acts like a glue.
Imagine when you get a glass and put it on a coaster. If the coaster is wet, then the glass will slide easier over the coaster. But when you pick the glass up, the wet coaster comes up with it as well.
However, I may be wrong. I'm only a physics student at college. Anyone a proper physicist? Would be interested to see how wrong I am.. 😀
Just to simplify
No white lines, no man holes covers, nothing but straight smooth tarmac
Can you go quicker when it's wet? no rain, just a wet road
And just to confuse, falling rain i ssupect will increase the density of the air, but it will also cool the muscles, so one one hand you slow and the other you go faster. Cooler more dense air has a higher oxygen content, etc.
I reckon slower. extra resisitance becuase of having to move water out of the way.
I'm no physicist, willing to bet good money my theory's a load of arse... 🙂
And just to confuse, falling rain i ssupect will increase the density of the air, but it will also cool the muscles, so one one hand you slow and the other you go faster. Cooler more dense air has a higher oxygen content, etc.
that's why I said no rain - I thought it may interfere
RealMan - your glass on a mat theory is more about surface tension and creating an airlock than 'glue'. Water will slow you down - surface tension to overcome, resistance of wheel through standing water, increased mass of wet tyre etc etc etc... that's the phsical side... then you've got the biophysical side of riders getting cold, muscles getting cold, and then the pshycological side of riders heads getting cold/unpleasant/demoralised etc...
Looks like Scott have got their act together since the Giro and have actually got some TT bikes the columbia lads want to ride, although Kirchen is still on one of last years giants.
Ugly bike contest, Giant v Specialized.
Special prize to the first overweight stw'er to post a photo of themselves in a TT skinsuit.
Wiggo's next, let see how much he can pull back. He needs a fair bit as i see the Schlecks attacking like crazy on Ventoux.
I know someone said the course was easy, but..., Cancellara averaged 63.5kmph for the last 12km....
HOW elliptical are Wiggins's chainrings? I thought my telly was on the blink.
Cervelo have been running silly shaped chainrings all season. Give it a year or so and we will be again probably.
wiggins fastest a 1st split
by 1 second
That'll be relayed back to the last 5 on the road...
He simply hasn't budged. Great form. A demonstration of TTing?
lance and Kloden were both down on Wiggins. i don't see the Schlecks making any time. That leaves Contador.
That'll be relayed back to the last 5 on the road...
Yeah and I'll bet that they'll suddenly start riding faster - just like they would do in the movies 🙂
Lance passes Frank Schleck....
What's with the hinge instead of a headset on Lance's bike?
Wiggins now 10sec down on Ignatiev's time at the 2nd checkpoint.
to get round the UCI's max 3:1 ratio individual element rule. A 3:1 "fork" + 3:1 headtube = a very aerodynamic 6:1.
obviously I don't have the exact measurements to hand...
Hinge? Any pics?
Lance passes Frank Schleck....
...and he's 9 minutes up on Contador!
rusty trowel - MemberCervelo have been running silly shaped chainrings all season. Give it a year or so and we will be again probably.
Sastre was using the Rotor rings last year. They have a stand at most races in Madrid, well the factory is just down the road. I know a local racer who user them. Quite a few people have been using on MTBs, by all accounts the first model had some problems.
Hats off to Lance, a good show.
Hats off to Bradley a better show.
Vamos Alberto... Va! Va! Va!
Don't matter 'bout Ignatiev's time, as long as he's putting time into Armstrong and the Schleks...
and Contadors on a mission
Contador 18 up on Brad
rusty trowel - MemberSpecial prize to the first overweight stw'er to post a photo of themselves in a TT skinsuit.
I feel sick!!!
Wiggo - 4 secs ahead of Ignatiev!!!
Contador is truly unbelievable, what a rider. I reckon he is the all time best.
I hope Wiggins beats Armstrong to take 2nd.
Armstrong has dropped to 11th!!!!
Contador is truly unbelievable, what a rider. I reckon he is the all time best.
I hope to god the comments by Greg Lemond in Le Monde don't indicate anything.
c**k on road alert!!!
Wiggins fastest at 28km check. He has taken 42secs out of Armstrong at that point.
mrmo
This article?!! Holy cow!!
S unday 19 July, during the climb to Verbier, Alberto Contador has established a speed record: he walked the 8.5 km climb (7.5% average slope) in 20 min 55. Jamais un coureur du Tour n'avait grimpé aussi vite. Not a rider of the Tour had risen so quickly. Comment expliquer une telle performance ? How to explain such a performance? Selon les dernières données publiées par l'ancien entraîneur de Festina et spécialiste reconnu de la performance, Antoine Vayer , dans Libération, le coureur espagnol aurait eu besoin d'une VO2 max (consommation maximale d'oxygène) de 99,5ml / mn / kg pour produire cet effort. According to the latest data published by the former Festina trainer and specialist in performance, Antoine Vayer, in Libération, the Spanish rider would have required a VO2 max (maximal oxygen consumption) of 99.5 ml / min / kg to produce the effort.
A ma connaissance, c'est un chiffre qui n'a jamais été atteint par aucun athlète, dans aucun sport. To my knowledge, this is a figure that has never been achieved by any athlete in any sport. C'est un peu comme si une belle Mercedes sortant d'un salon automobile s'alignait sur un circuit de Formule 1 et remportait la course. It is like a beautiful Mercedes leaving a lounge car was aligned on a Formula 1 circuit and won the race. Il ya quelque chose qui cloche. There is something wrong. Il serait intéressant de savoir ce qu'il ya sous le capot. It would be interesting to know what's under the hood. Un coureur roulant à l'eau claire peut-il atteindre la vitesse d'ascension et la puissance produite à Verbier ? A rider traveling at the clear water can reach the speed of ascent and power output in Verbier? Peut-être. Maybe. Si les études menées par Antoine Vayer sont correctes, Alberto Contador serait alors le premier être humain à atteindre un tel palier de performance. If the studies conducted by Antoine Vayer is correct, then Alberto Contador is the first human being to reach such a level of performance. '
that is the one, the figures, are truely astounding, Contador is on another planet! I hope he is a freak! and there is nothing else going on.
That colour scheme makes Lances bike look like something a trendy city boy might commute on. Is he wearing a messenger bag?
andy schleck just got lost 😆