[Closed] Strava. E-Bikes. Why?!

[i]Firstly, I think strava is balls.[/i]

yet you still use it?

if it *really* bothers you dispute their time with Strava, it'll get deleted.

How did you know it was on an e-bike?

I didn't realise people took KOM's so seriously?

i had an email from strava informing me of it.

i don't care. I just thought it was hilarious.

User name is something like ebikecoaching

Hilarious enough to start a thread ranting about it? On a service that's "balls". But you still use it? And you don't care?

Oooook.

Just flag it. Not difficult.

what is the point of logging E-bike rides on strava?

because its a bike ride, and he was riding a bike, and they use Strava to capture mileage and routes and compare to their own past performances?

A seperate category on the boards might be a nice feature for Strava to add so you can split based on human-only and assisted-power results if you were being really picky, but then you could say the same about segments where the KOM is only achievable with a massive tailwind, and drafting.

Basically, just get over it. 🙂

User name is something like ebikecoaching

At least he's not hiding it
He's out.... and load n proud

surely you 29 people are all cheating us 26er people with your faster rolling wheels.

i demand the follwing categories

26 ht
26fs
27.5ht
27.5fs
29ht
29fs
fat
ebike
hybrid
roady
carbon
steel
ti
pro
semi pro
lazy

good rant though x

username is something like ebikecoaching

My username is nealglover

But I'm not wearing gloves.

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[quote=amedias ]A seperate category on the boards might be a nice feature for Strava to add so you can split based on human-only and assisted-power results if you were being really picky, but then you could say the same about segments where the KOM is only achievable with a massive tailwind, and drafting.

e-bikes in the TdF then? Is insisting on human-only power being picky?

If Strava is going to be any use at all at comparing yourself with other people, then there is a huge difference between using an e-bike and having tailwind assistance. Where exactly do you draw the line, e-bike OK, motor scooter not?

nealglover - Member

My username is nealglover

But I'm not wearing gloves.

That makes you GW's new account!

I claim my 50p

My username is nealglover

But I'm not wearing gloves.

You would say that though, wouldn't you?

Would be gutting for the OP if he found that Mr Ebike's ebike was in the garage that day. You need more than a username - does the ride data suggest it too? If so, just flag it.

But I'm not wearing gloves.

Would be gutting for the OP if he found that Mr Ebike's ebike was in the garage that day

Are you going to post up a link to the ride? One on here recently which I think we eventually worked out to most likely be an e-bike from the data. Alternatively you could just flag it and stop worrying.

e-bikes in the TdF then

Strava isn't a regulated racing format though is it?

Like I said, category/filter listing options might be nice, but ultimately it's a semi-social tool for comparing your own performance, sometimes that's against other riders, but they could be fitter than you, on a different bike, tailwind assisted, electric assisted etc, which is why you always take it with a pinch of and salt and compare with riders of roughly the same or a known ability as you.

I don't see the problem with people logging E-Bike rides with it*, especially if their username makes it as obvious as that, he's probably done that deliberately because there are no filters.

*other than it being against Strava T+Cs unless listing it as private/other workout. If they made a category then they could be public without a problem

My username is nealglover

But I'm not wearing gloves.

I'd not expect you to be, unless your name was Nealgloves, glover sounds like an occupation to me. I'd always assumed your role was to put gloves on others.

DON'T TELL ME I'VE BEEN WRONG ALL THIS TIME!?

I'd always assumed your role was to put gloves on others

He could be both the Glover and the Glovee though could he not?

Strava fans:

http://www.strava.com/activities/260278104

@amedias Do you really not get the difference between an e-bike and a tailwind? If an e-bike is OK, then why not a motor scooter? Maybe they should add a motor bike category too whilst they're at it.

Strava fans:

http://www.strava.com/activities/260278104

Hahahahahaha, yeah minor difference in speed there then!
Flag it, and have him dragged through the streets and flogged while being ridden by a semi naked Nigel Farage.

If you take a look at the emtbcoaching web page then you'll see they coach normal mountain bikers too. What's to say he wasn't riding a normal MTB? It is possible that he's just faster than you.

Oh wow, local to me - some segments I'm on (though not the one in question). I'll flag it if you don't!

I'm on that segment - though never realized it was one!
Who is he - lets string him up!!

Strava fans:

http://www.strava.com/activities/260278104

I don't think you're really Silvio Burlesconi - what else aren't you telling us?

From my experience: you say "I don't care!" to the whole Strava-thing only until you loose one of your KOMs (which you had to gain before, obviously). Then the game changes. Well... Shall I say "life" instead of "game"? 😆

He certainly trashed your Bunga Bunga fun there. 😀

I can imagine the conversation at Strava HQ now.

"Who to believe, Mr Ebike or Mr corrupt former PM?"

2.5 mins difference - def legit 🙂

I took Strava way to ****ing seriously at first as it took the enjoyment out of my rides so stopped using it 😡 Now gone back to Moveslink and just log and ride my bike and no need to chase segments anymore.. its lush 😆

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That's a daft segment anyhow - everyone always stops at the stone circle for a 5 minute chat before starting the climb - maybe he just didn't stop and that's where the big difference comes from.....?

Obviously anyone who is quicker than me is definitely on an e bike.
All e bikes shold be made to look a divi as possible by law.

@amedias Do you really not get the difference between an e-bike and a tailwind? If an e-bike is OK, then why not a motor scooter? Maybe they should add a motor bike category too whilst they're at it.

Of course I get the difference, that's why I'm sating a category for them would be a good thing, but I'm also saying that in the mean time while there isn't one I'm OK with people still using Strava while on eBikes, especially if it's obvious from the profile name and givven all the other dirty-data problems with Strava I take it with a pinch of salt even when things are correctly categorised.

eBikes are going to become more and more popular and I think excluding them from Strava is not the way forward, and the current rule of forcing rides to be private isn't a great solution.

But then I'm just some random bloke on the Internet so my opinion carries about as much weight as yours, we don't have to agree, I'm just saying how I feel about eBikes on Strava.

--- SIDE NOTE ---

eBikes are ven harder to categorise as there's so many variatiosn in the way they work, some cut the assist at a certain speed, some cut the assist at a torque/power output, some have been chipped to not cut the assist until you're doing 30mph+, most have selectable boost options too so you have almost as much variation in assistance levels and options as you do variation in fitness between riders.

Even with a category for them on Strava you'll get people griping about chipped bikes being used and things like that, its the same problems all over again, which brings you back tot eh same conclusion, that you can only use Strava as a basic comparison tool with your own previous performance, or if you want to compare against others you either need to do so against people of roughly-known ability, and take everything else with a pinch of salt.

If you want a proper comparison then racing is the option, Strava isn't regulated on routes and shortcuts, weather condtions or anything else so you can only go so far with the data it provides.

[quote=amedias ]eBikes are going to become more and more popular and I think excluding them from Strava is not the way forward, and the current rule of forcing rides to be private isn't a great solution.

I don't understand why e-bikes riders need to be able to upload their rides publicly to Strava any more than motor bike riders do. What exactly is wrong with the current solution of not allowing vehicles which don't meet the criteria? If you want to use Strava, ride something human powered, it's quite simple.

Suggesting that it's OK because there is other dodgy data is whataboutery at its finest.

Just my opinion, but thankfully (for once) Strava and the wider community appears to agree with me.

eBikes are ven harder to categorise as there's so many variatiosn in the way they work...

You make an excellent argument for why they shouldn't be allowed on Strava.

e bikes are human powered (mostly)

I don't see why they shouldn't upload to Strava (it's a good tool for logging ones riding after all), but they should be excluded from leaderboards, as indeed they are.

You could use Strava to track the miles you drive if you make everything private for all I care!

Some of them might be, but I'm not sure that's universally true - where do you draw the line?

They have separate sections for Ride, walk, swim, etc, so they could just add ebike.

this thread is a waste of the internet

All of which are activities using just human power.

Well I imagine people want to use it for the same reasons non-assisted riders do, route tracking and comparison with previous performance and the social aspect of it. Strava isn't *just* about the leaderboards.

The very fact that people are using Strava with eBikes suggests that they want to use the features it offers.

I'd much rather there was a category for them to allow all the same benefits rather than forcing them private, but then maybe another app could fill that need, but then how wants to use two apps to do the same thing...

Lets be honest, the only reason people are grumpy about it is the pollution of the data from human only riding, and feeling that they've been cheated of something*, if there was a category then the problem goes away.

*internet-ego-points mostly

poah - Member
this thread is a waste of the internet

And yet here you are?

poah - Member
[s]this thread is[/s] I'm a waste of the internet

FTFY. Agreed.

All of which are activities using just human power.

Well not really. There are plenty of descent segments where you don't need to put in any power at all. Should bikes be banned? Should you have to declare what section of rim you're using? Not entirely sure why you're so het up about it?

aracer - Member

All of which are activities using just human power.