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I’m really, really struggling to get my head around this to be honest. Maybe it’s my riding style (or lack of) but I can’t think of any instances where I’m ‘popping off’ things where the relationship between my arse and the saddle
Massive thread revival, but anyway - the issue isn't with my arse and the saddle. The saddle is in the right place with respect the bars for seated pedalling, the issue is that with the slack seat angle the pedals are further forward than I'd like. This means that to get my feet in the right position to pick the bike up as I'd like, I have to move forward, which means that the bars are now a bit too close.
In other words - the distance from saddle to bars is perfect, but the reach is too short.
Since this thread was started, I've realised that I may have been pedalling with my feet too far forward, because I'm really not used to flats. Moving my feet backwards on the pedals is equivalent to adding a degree or so to the seat angle!
I think I'm going to try a slightly longer stem again, and slide the seat even further forward. I've also considered fitting the seatpost backwards to make it lay-forward...
the issue is that with the slack seat angle the pedals are further forward than I’d like. This means that to get my feet in the right position to pick the bike up as I’d like, I have to move forward, which means that the bars are now a bit too close.
?? The seat angle doesn't dictate the pedal position. Even if you changed the seat angle on your bike by a couple of degrees the pedals would be in exactly the same place. If your bars are too close when you stand up its because your reach is too short.
The seat angle doesn’t dictate the pedal position.
Mate the pedals are at the other end of the seat tube from the saddle.
If the saddle.is the right distance from the bars, then a slacker seat angle means the pedals are further forward.
The reach is too short yes that's the point. Shorter reach, slacker seat angle. I'd the seat angle weren't as slack as it is then the saddle would be too close to the bars.