[Closed] Stanton Bikes Frame Price Increase?

Welcome to brexit-land.

I'm sure they were £599 at the weekend when the hardtail live thread was started.

Bums. Even further out of reach now.

Yeah, Dan posted on the Stanton owners group earlier explaining. As above, exchange rates.

That's a pity. Nice frames but a bit too pricey now as an n+1 for me.

Luckily I managed to grab the Black Friday deal before Xmas!
And on 0% credit
Man maths tells me I actually get paid to ride it!!

was also looking at this today..thats an awful lot for a HT frame.
I still want one tho !

Ooph, that is pricy now.

Would of liked a Sherpa one day but not for that money.

The question is will the price come back down when the value of the pound increases ?

Wow - I had a 1st gen Sherpa which I think was £399 - nice frame but not worth £699

Ouch!

I never understood the 20% Black Friday thing, if things were that tight they couldn't be making anything off the frames they sold for that... And people who paid full price before it would be pissed (I was kinda, especially after the wait I had....). Guess people will be holding off for November now!

£699? No chance. Was looking at getting one. £599 was expensive but no chance now.
Stanton have made a blunder.

Likewise - off the list now unfortunately.

Stanton have made a blunder.

Hardly their fault currency has plummeted because of ****wits.

double post. Still off the list.

Jeez that sounds pretty expensive now. Perhaps them developing a new full suspension frame at the moment is not such a great idea if margin is under pressure from exchange rate fluctuations.

It only seems expensive until everything else goes up too 😆

Yeah, that's a lot of cash. Don't think I could spend much more than £500 on a non hand built custom ht.

any other (cheaper) options with similar geometry to the switchback?

How many other things can we blame on Brexit ffs?? 😯

How many other things can we blame on Brexit ffs??

Well, anything that effected by the £ dropping 20% against the Euro and the US $? So anything we import, or anything that is made from stuff we import. So basically most things..........

This ???

Yep Dan posted on the Stanton FB group earlier apologising and explaining why he's had to do it.
Not many manufacturers would bother.

Great frames, expensive yes but love mine

How many other things can we blame on Brexit ffs??

I was in California last week. It being Hipster Central, a beer is about $7 for 10oz (which I think is about 1/3 of a pint, but who knows).

Now the previous time I went, that seemed merely extortionate, translating to about £4.50. But now that it's more like £6, I just couldn't bring myself to drink the stuff, even though it was on expenses.

So if I was grumpy last week, we can blame Brexit.

EDIT: I have a Stanton Sherpa, which means I feel like I'm qualified to post on this thread. I think you might struggle to find another equivalent frame.

It's a lot of money, but stuff is creeping by up as the exchange rate continues to fall. Didn't Spesh increase prices recently? The industry more or less works in dollars so we're a bit screwed at the mo.

The frames have also got more complex with internal routing and the new yoke which adds complexity and therefore money.

I guess for those hovering, it may force their hand a bit (i.e. Look at something else). I know they use all Reynolds tubing but I wonder how much people really care?

Glad I bought my Ti frame when I did because theyr really expensive now.

That is a hefty increase. I thought the increase in the Mark II frame was because of brexit, I could be wrong on that but then why was there already a £100 increase on the Mark I frame? Can we expect others like Cotic to follow in there footsteps?

The pound has dropped to this level before (a few years ago) and don't remember everything suddenly being increased in price then. Unless it did and I just don't remember.

The pound has dropped to this level before (a few years ago) and don't remember everything suddenly being increased in price then. Unless it did and I just don't remember.

It didn't.

What you remember is the pound euro rate. The rate that matters is the USD, and your looking at 30year lows.

The pound has dropped to this level before (a few years ago) and don't remember everything suddenly being increased in price then.

GBP:USD hasn't been at this exchange rate for decades since 1985. And that was literally the only other time in living memory.

why was there already a £100 increase on the Mark I frame?

It was £50. I paid £550 for my Mk I Switchback which then went to £599 when the Mk II was released which was due to the yoke and stealth dropper routing.

Direct sales businesses (Stanton, like Cotic is kind of a half and half direct and LBS) will have the greatest percentage increase in their prices because they have the greatest proportion of USD cost within their supply and mark-up chains.

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why was there already a £100 increase on the Mark I frame?
It was £50. I paid £550 for my Mk I Switchback which then went to £599 when the Mk II was released which was due to the yoke and stealth dropper routing.

Thanks for clearing that up - I should also add I am big fan of the Sherpa and even at this price whilst it is expensive I would still consider getting another one. It's still £200 cheaper than a Niner ROS 9 and I'm quite sure the Chromag Surface won't be a similar cost to the Sherpa too so in the market place it's still not a crazily priced frame.

I can't help thinking suppliers are 'taking advantage' of the Brexit situation and trying it on somewhat.It hasn't even happened yet! 😯

Spesh & Trek prices recently went up 15% as did a lot of shimano stuff via madison.

The question is will the price come back down when the value of the pound increases ?

I can't help thinking suppliers are 'taking advantage' of the Brexit situation and trying it on somewhat.It hasn't even happened yet!

Ha, you new to the bike industry?

I can't help thinking suppliers are 'taking advantage' of the Brexit situation and trying it on somewhat.It hasn't even happened yet

I can't help thinking that people still denying the effects of a monumental shift in British economy are utter morons.

Dan Stanton is a really good guy, and I don't believe he would have jacked his prices up unless he absolutely had to. His margins will be getting squeezed right now, just like everyone else's. I can't believe there's a massive amount to be made on a £599 frame (especially when they're produced in the relatively small numbers he sells) and he works bloody hard for it! So I fully understand why any pressure on what must be a fairly small margin has to be hard to suck up.
In the grand scheme of things his bikes are still relatively cheap (they are also very pretty) and you can always find ways to make it affordable (use cheaper or 2nd hand components to build it?)

Re: the question about the £ being low a few years ago. It was very low back in 2008, but so was the $ too, right? Part of the global financial crisis, which I think hit the $ harder than it hit us (and bigger business possibly suffered more than smaller ones?)

I can't help thinking that people still denying the effects of a monumental shift in British economy are utter morons.

Welcome to the Brexit debate where cause and effect no longer applies, where you can have your cake and eat it.

shame i was looking at a sherpa last week. if the prices go up much more i could almost justify a shand frame, they are about a grand

With regards to prices going down again, I remember in 2008 the bike shop I worked in was getting price increase notifications from Trek and Giant about every 3 months. Then in 2011 they did go back down again.

Whether that will happen with Brexit within 3 years or not I don't know, buy I seriously doubt it. Stanton are based in my village, it's a shame that none of the idiots who live around his unit realise the damage their vote has caused one of only a handful of businesses in our village.

Sad times. They'd already gone up from £550 to £600.

£700 is too much for a steel hardtail. It's all well and good putting the price up but it could have a negative impact. If he sells less which will inevitably be the case then he could end up worse off.

I was considering buying one at £600 but had seen the new chameleon and considered that at the same price point. Now the Stanton has gone up it's a no brainer for me, I'm going with the Chameleon. Local bike shop will do me a bit of discount to so expect to pay around £550.

If Stanton didn't sell direct the price would be more understandable but they are so there should be quite a margin. I know there are resellers so how are Stanton going to sell at trade to them and still make money on a frame that the dealer can still only sell for £700?

where you can have your cake and eat it.

Well that's good. I like cake. As long as no bEUrocrat tries to tell me what colour or shape it should be, or some remoaner points out that there's 20% less cake than there used to be. They're just being negative, clearly!

Stanton far east made frames which weren't excellent value to begin with, have just had a huge price increase.

The devil is in the detail though. Unlike competitors (Stif Morf, DMR Trailstar etc) they are full Reynolds tubing, inc the rear end. The CNC yoke has added costs but has improved the tyre clearance.

Dan Stanton is a really good guy, and I don't believe he would have jacked his prices up unless he absolutely had to. His margins will be getting squeezed right now, just like everyone else's.

This. He's been feeling the pressure of the exchange rates for a whole. I was chatting to him last October and he was saying how transport costs had gone through the roof as the pound fell.

It'll be easier to judge in the coming weeks / months when you see what competitors do with their prices. I think we're probably in for a shock over the next year or so.

This is a rotten situation and I'm sure it's not blatant price gouging.

He's probably keenly aware that £700 is simply too much money for most of us to drop on a steel hardtail frame - and must be worried about the viability of his business going forward.

Sometimes business niches just dry up due to economic circumstances or industry trends. It'd be a shame if that happened to the UK-designed, Taiwan-built blingy hardtail segment.

This is a rotten situation and I'm sure it's not blatant price gouging.

He's probably keenly aware that £700 is simply too much money for most of us to drop on a steel hardtail frame - and must be worried about the viability of his business going forward.

Sometimes business niches just dry up due to economic circumstances or industry trends. It'd be a shame if that happened to the UK-designed, Taiwan-built blingy hardtail segment.

Alternatively he will still get enough sales at the new price point.

with all the increased costs it would be interesting to understand how the economics of UK design, UK built, blingy hardtails is in comparison

Not just Brexit costs you've also had above inflation business and employee costs too.

So employer pension, minimum wage, business rates etc could easily have added 4-5% to their cost base.