Disagree with a few on here, I don't think riding a road bike is easy if you're not used to it
+1. As a lifetime mtber, it took me a few hundred miles to get used to it. I don't give it a second thought now, and love fast road descending.
The OP sounds like a bike fit would be money well spent.
How long till I get confident
You've mentioned on pretty much every road bike thread you don't like it or get it so why keep posting when you've got nothing to help the OP?
His question was, how long till I get confidence.
My answer was that he wouldn't, they're just horrible,
How is that not helping ? it's giving an honest assessment of my own situation. Just because you think he can/will get confident doesn't mean he actually will.
Just ride more, it does take a while to get used to the cornering in particular. But it does happen.
It's not as twitchy as it feels, if that helps!
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OP I had similarish issues and was savaged by the roadfashionista's of STW suffering for my art 8)
One of my issues I found went away by swapping FSA30's for Ultegra wheels on GP4000's and latex tubes.
Riding on other road bikes though- the frame I'm on isn't the best but then it was 'designed' by someone..
I think road-race bikes are an acquired taste in their handling. There's always been a demand to make them 'feel fast', so they verge on twitchy by nature. What works in a bunch or for racing isn't the nicest feel for many riders at downhill speed on typical UK roads. Largely a case of getting used to it, going back a few years I used to hit 50 on local hills on a typical 73 parallel race geometry bike with 23Cs. Feels quite on-the-edge trying that now after getting used to a more general-use road set up.
One of my issues
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They all sorted now hora?
Could you post a picture of your bike, and perhaps with you sat on it?
Might be a good opportunity to see if there is anything glaringly wrong with your setup. A free internet bikefit, kind of 😆
Having said that if I posted a picture of my setup i'd probably get laughed at.
They all sorted now hora?
yip
What bike is it, OP? There's a massive difference in the handling characteristics of different raod bikes from endurance and comfort for all-day rides to twitchy and stiff for racing. Assuming you bought a bike that is appropriate to the kind of rding you do, you'd be well advised to go to a good LBS and get a bike fit session. Serious shops like Hewitts in Leyland will charge £50 for this but it's money well spent, especially as you can expect to be spending much longer on the roadie than you would on a mountain bike.
Don't get hung up on tyre or other component choices if you're only doing 30-50miles. Apaprt from the saddle (which you'll know if its wrong pretty quickly) you can adapt to most things, and all but the worst tyres are fine, I've got £13 tyres on one bike and £40 on the other, yes theres a difference, yes the £40 tyres are nicer, but both only slip on the same stuff (ironwork, overbanding, debris), it's like having Dura Ace shifters, they're very nice, but 105 doesn't stop your riding.
Set the saddle for comfortable pedaling, there're plenty of resuts on google, but the rule of thumb is pain behind the knee then the saddle is too high or too far forewards (so move it down [b]OR[/b] back in 5mm incraments), if the front hurnts then move it up [b]OR[/b] forwards. One small adjustment at a time untill your comfortable. When the saddles the right height then your hips should be perfectly still, keep going untill it's perfect, 2mm one way or the other will make a difference when you start doing 100miles+.
Raise the stem to start with, as a rule the lower the body position the more front end grip you have as long as your elbows are bent to act as suspension, so concnentrate on bent elbows, doing core strength exercises to help you hold the position with your core muscles NOT your arms. Start using the drops on the flat for short periods, then longer and longer as you get stronger and more comfortable and start using them on faster decents.
At 5ft10 a 54 with a 100mm stem is probably right, it'll feel long to start with but you'll get used to it and probably actualy start looking at longer stems or bigger frames.
If you're wobbling when changing from hoods to drops, look up at where you're going not at the bars and move both hands instantly and at the same time, don't try to ride allong with one hand on the drops and one on the top. And as above, core strength is key, you should be putting almost no weight through your hands normaly, just lean on the bars in corners to weight the front wheel.
My answer was that he wouldn't, they're just horrible,How is that not helping ? it's giving an honest assessment of my own situation. Just because you think he can/will get confident doesn't mean he actually will.
See you keep saying that road bikes are horrible but strangely the majority find them fine. Doesn't this make you suspect that not all road bikes can be horrible to ride and perhaps it was something related to your specific set up?
If even Hora can get used to riding a road bike then anyone can, it just takes a bit of setting up and practice.
A slight thread hi-jack if I may, as I'm also new to road biking and this thread is very much of interest.
When will my arse begin to feel normal again?
On any of my mountain bike saddles or at spin classes, I never felt any discomfort. Two weeks in on the road bike, and my backside is still hurting. I find after 40 mins my backside is really getting uncomfortable. Is it just a case of time and allowing my sit bones to get used to the feeling or should I be thinking about my bike fit? I am reasonably central over the saddle and not over stretching for the bars. I am using padded shorts and chamois cream too.
I have no ventured out onto the road yet, but working away on the turbo so probably spending more time in the saddle.
Whilst there are a lot of suggestions of changing this that or the other, you've only ridden 30 miles on a new bike.
I would suggest riding ten, or twenty times that before thinking about spending money on changing anything.
There are adjustments you can make that are free and just take time.
Is the saddle at the correct height for you?
Here's a chunk of info on BC- [url= http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/insightzone/equipment_and_set_up/position_on_the_bike/article/izn20130322-Getting-your-ride-position-right-0 ]Insight Zone[/url]
Then there's adjustments you can make to the brakes: use the knurled knob on the top of the caliper to increase or reduce the amount of lever pull required to actuate the calipers. FWIW unlike MTB disc brakes it's often better to have slightly more lever travel so you can modulate the feel of the brakes from the hoods or drops.
As for riding on the drops/hoods/tops that's normally a situational thing and unless you are sprinting, descending* or trying to hold an aero position** then normally you will be on the tops or hoods.
Stick at it and don't be afraid to take some tools with you to stop and adjust whilst you are out. Keep a note of the basic measurements to start with and go from there.***
*lower centre of gravity and better position for braking.
**although recent research has suggested arms flat from the hoods back is more aero than on the drops due to lower frontal area.
*** BB to top of saddle height vertically, Nose of saddle to centre of bars horizontally, nose of saddle to TT vertically
You need to speak to a few experienced road cyclists in person. contact your local road club or shop and ask for advice. Most road clubs these days have a webpage or facebook group so it's fairly easy to judge if they are a friendly group by introducing yourself and taking it from there. My offer was not that of a paid service, but I see you're probably too far from me (Nr Edinburgh). I'm happy to help out any newbie, inexperienced/nervous riding on the road is downright dangerous and the less injured cyclists the better in my book. Also, your cycling just won't be enjoyable if you're not comfortable and confident on the road.
There is plenty poor and some terrible advice on this thread already.
Sorry to make an example of the guy who said it, but no one can tell if your bike is too long from simply asking how straight your elbows are as it doesn't take into account anything else. ie. how upright you are sat, saddle/bar position etc. A lot of newbies ride sat up like Mary Poppins as they lack flexibility and core strength needed to be comfortable in even a slightly tucked position. As for recommendations of changing tyres/wheels/frames etc. sorry, but these people just don't have a clue and are just justifying the slight improvement their purchases made to them.
Oh, and well done Kryton. 🙄
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I have no ventured out onto the road yet, but working away on the turbo so probably spending more time in the saddle.
Two completely different things IMHO. I find using a turbo or exercise bike really uncomfortable. When actually riding the bike it's moving more underneath you so there's less discomfort.
You will be fine, there are loads of "pointers" people can give you, but in reality just riding will get you most of the way there, so stick at it.
However they are still scary sometimes. 52+ mph in the wet leaning all the way over the rear getting a speed wobble on, made me wonder why I wasn't wearing a full face helmet and leathers.
(Pork hill descent on Dartmoor for anyone wanting a go)
What are you doing in April?
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/touring-weekend-anyone
I have no ventured out onto the road yet, but working away on the turbo so probably spending more time in the saddle.
That'll be 90% of the problem. Even my most comfortable saddle gets painfull on the turbo. Are you using sufferfest or trainerroad, you need something to get you out of the saddle regulalry. Even just a stopwatch and tell yourself to stand up for 6 seconds every minute.
The other 10% might be (or probably is) the saddle. You need to consider everything from the width of your sit bones, how you move arround (Selle Italia SLR for example is flat, the flite is bowed in the middle, the flatter the saddle the less pressure it puts on you when edging forwards/back), how much your pelvis is rotated as an anterior tilt (caused by sitting in a office chair or a sofa too much) puts pressure on your notcher, more tilt means bigger cut outs in the saddle, whereas perfect posture would mean a more conventional saddle. Have a google and get a few nearly new saddles of ebay and work out what you like by elimination.
As a MTB rider and roadie, I find road riding easy, as I'm comfortable with a bike moving around under me.
I dont use the drops, unless battling into a head wind or TTing
I use Michelin Pro 4s The best FACT
Just ride like your on a MTB Even is this weather descending is a buzz 🙂 🙂 got a PB on Monday on a 1.5 mile descent 70th out of 5,000 next time KOM 🙂
Oh and if I can do it as a pensioner so can you
I use Michelin Pro 4s The best FACT
I used to think that!
These are a lot better: http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/tyres-twinpack-deals-veloflex-corsa-twinpack2/velxtyrf351
globalti - Member
I will be needing some new tyres in a month or so
Are they that much better ?
How do the 25s come up size wise against a Pro 4 as I have tight clearance on my Addict. ?
Careful with the mileage on those Veloflex. 1,800 miles for a rear is very low.
Broken record, but GP4000s are great tyres.
Sorry to make an example of the guy who said it, but no one can tell if your bike is too long from simply asking how straight your elbows are as it doesn't take into account anything else
Well thanks, but the OP also confirmed that his arms were outstretched when riding on the hoods. Hence, without seeing him on the bike, it is reasonable to assume that control is limited and the bike will feel twitchy, and that he would benefit from closer and/or higher bars in the first instance.
I once coached a beginner who came to me with a new bike and a fit from an established shop. Her arms were so outstretched on the drops she could no turn the bike safely in a U turn in the road. Her stem was 20 cm too long and she'd been sold the wrong size bike. It took two falls and once beginner's club ride for her to learn that.
I agree about not changing kit, set up first, including the possible purchase or swap of a stem, Tyres and tubes later. As confidence, fitness and flexibility improve, a longer lower position may be more appropriate.
Thanks TINA and Scotroutes.
I am using Trainerroad and I do sit at a desk. Far easier, simpler and cheaper to stand up every so often and will try that first. I still expect it is going to take some time to get used to the new saddle and riding positions, but not going to suffer indefinitely.
I might try out my Spoon first before testing out other saddles.
@davieg
I have a spoon on one road bike, and 2 MTBs if they are comfy for you use it.If you want a road specific saddle then the Charge Knife is just as good s the Spoon
it's not reasonable for any of us to assume anything from such a vague description, Tired. That's kinda my point.
I might try out my Spoon first before testing out other saddles.
I put mine on my winter bike as a stopgap last year, and it's staying put now.
Get your arse measured. I've got wide sitbones. From memory I went with a 150wide(?) saddle after being measured. Surprised me.
Are they that much better ?
How do the 25s come up size wise against a Pro 4 as I have tight clearance on my Addict. ?
The Veloflex Open Corsas are really superb tyres. I will never go back to any other tyre now; they ride super-smooth and more than anything, the bike feels much more secure on them; it feels more "planted" and more secure in corners. The rubber is very sticky and the file pattern makes them even grippier. They do cut up easily and the file pattern will wear smooth in a few hundred miles but I'm prepared to live with that for the quality of the ride. Others might not find them robust enough but for the hooligan bike they're a great choice.
I use the 23s and they are no bigger than my Michelin Pro 4s were. I'd imagine that the 25s are only a tiny bit fatter.
Gonna try again this evening. I know I'll need a bike fit eventually. But I think most of the wobble is due to my newbiness.
As I wobbled when I first got back on a mountain bike since childhood in 2009.
Weather permitting I'm gonna get up early Sunday and find some quiet roads and go for a blast.
Picked a rubbish evening for my first ride, breezy, wet and dark. Want to use it to ride to places Like I do on my motorbike.
Gonna try again this evening.
If you're nervous with the handling and it's as windy as it is down here that may not be a great idea!
Sack that just been outside. I'm leaving my motorbike at work also. Very windy with sleet. Train it is. See how it is at the weekend.
A very wise decision. I've been riding road bikes for over ten years and I am glad mine is staying in the shed tonight.
I like Steve Hogg. Search for him on Youtube, there are a few videos on bike fitting worth watching.
Just give it a bit longer, it's super shitty out at the mo even I can feel the differences.
Give each change plenty of time as well.
When I ride at the back with newcomers I always tell them to relax which sounds patronising it's not meant to be, I mean don't fight the bike.
Thing is waht can we say over the net without seeing you and the bike, an experienced rider might just put you straight at a glance.
😯without getting a massive twitch on.
Made me laugh anyway!!
Seriously though, it is like most things, the more you do it the easier it gets.
My second bike (aged about 10) was a Ti Raleigh replica drop bar 'racing bike' so it is second nature, not sure how I would feel if starting out now (you can over think things when you get older).
Get out on some quiet roads, relax your grip and shoulders and let the bike find its way. Despite what some people say/think, grip is surprisingly good (push through the outside pedal when cornering can help).
When descending you may find it better to raise you self a few mm off of the saddle and take some of the bumps through your legs/arms (much like mtb'ing but not as extreme). Get on the drops and get low.
If you are at all uncomfortable/nervous then you are going too fast (for your current competence). Give it a few weeks and you will be going faster for the same terrain.
Get it on some rollers/turbo and practice moving from hoods/tops to drops (alot).
Enjoy it!
I think the main thing is. Poor weather/road conditions combined with being nervous meant I had a death grip. Riding the mtb or motorbike I'm relaxed and any slides are corrected easy enough.
Need to wait for drier roads and get some practice in. Then get a bike fit and enjoy summer on both the road and off road.
My mileage was 100 miles last year due to injuries. I want to smash the 1000 mile barrier this year.
The main reason I'm uncomfortable on a road bike is that wearing lycra makes me feel like I'm half naked and putting tubes and bits in my jersey pockets makes me feel like I've not got enough stuff to get me back if I have multiple punctures or mechanical failures
You don't have to follow convention you know. I'm going to wear my hip pack on mine. **** it if a total stranger chooses to sneer at me as he passes on his road bike dressed in advertising kit for a team he doesn't work for or have any affiliation with.
How much stuff do you think you need jools? I carry my phone and a pump in my jersey pocket then a couple of tubes, a multitool and a quick link in a saddle bag plus an emergency tenner. I'm pretty sure you are never going to be somewhere so remote that help isn't a phone call away if it goes really tits up.
A phone call to who?
A taxi most likely!
I have a small bottle cage mount pump to get me home, I have a micro saddle bag (with a tube and some tyre levers in). In my jersey I carry a small puncture kit (and another tube if doing a really long ride), a phone, a multitool and some food.
Stow some of the stuff on your bike if you can. These are small (just enough for some tyre levers and a tube). They were selling them off for under a fiver a while ago:
[url= http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/BAARNESB/areo-new-saddle-bag ]Link[/url]
You don't have to follow convention you know. I'm going to wear my hip pack on mine. **** it if a total stranger chooses to sneer at me as he passes on his road bike dressed in advertising kit for a team he doesn't work for or have any affiliation with.
You Go Girl!
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A phone call to who?
A mate, your mum, who knows?
