[Closed] Road rage assault on cyclist - victim sought

As long as we're in the ASL.
We'll all hold hands in a circle.

Cyclist shouts abuse at the driver, then chases him off down the road?

What did he expect, a man hug?

Almost looks like he was out looking for trouble, being intentionally confrontational.

(Plus, we don't know if the cyclist/driver had any 'history' prior to the footage - perhaps at the previous traffic lights?)

Aw, it was all ending so nicely too..

😀 definitely, although a campfire in the ASL might not go down too well in rush hour traffic

I'm surprised none has pointed out waht a good time trialist our punch bag cyclist appears to be. Fuly togged up in a suit, bulging rucksack, up a steadt incline.... Not a bad effort.

More seriously I'm shocked at how many of you think that punching someone is Ok. What if it was your wife? GF, daughter or gran? How can violence ever be justified? Especially when no-one has hit you first.

I've lived in London 23 years, been to loads of roughish pubs and footie matchs (in the 90's mainly) and seen only 2 v minor fights in that whole time. I havent hit someone since I was 14.

I think I know who this is, will check.

Good point from DONK as car drivers, no matter how poor their behaviour, always go ape shit if someone says anything to them.

And your evidence for that undeniable statement of fact is?

I had a lovely chat to a cabbie last night in a traffic jam. I spotted his reversing lights were on, so tapped on his window and said I thought his car might have a fault, as the lights were on. He looked down, laughed and informed me it wasn't the car, but the driver that had the fault. He'd put it in reverse by mistake (Auto box).

On the flip side, after politely informing a fellow cyclist that the red lights meant he ought to stop, I was subjected to a stream of abuse.

I think, Junky, what you meant to say was that;

some road users, regardless of the means of transport, no matter how poor their behaviour, always go ape shit if someone says anything to them.

🙂

Cyclist shouts abuse at the driver, then chases him off down the road?

Almost looks like he was out looking for trouble,

being intentionally confrontational.

Doesn't look like there was any previous as car was there already and cyclist didn't give it a second look until the ASL incursion.

by the looks of it [url= http://lcc.org.uk/articles/police-and-transport-for-london-prepare-to-increase-enforcement-against-motorists-who-ignore-advanced-stop-lines ]london ASLs[/url] can get a bit busy so the two riders pulling infront of the audi (and the audis subsequent inability to actually put any real distance between himself and the cyclists despite all that powwwweerrrr) looks reasonable. I'm not sure about ASLs, there are arguments for and against but seeing as how popular they are with road planners you can't really criticize cyclists for using them.

Recipient of punch is aware of the video. I might not post him a link to this though. Some comments are a bit harsh.

Also been reported to the police.

CFH you just kind of enforced my point, I've let drivers know about flat tyres and stuff, they are cool with that but mention their (lack of) road use skillz and they get very defensive as did your cyclist.

and I said [i]road users[/i] and included a cyclist example in my post 🙂

But yes, all anecdotal

Crazy legs is bang on the money - run for office dude.

So, the bloke's been found and the incident (or this thread) reported to the police.

Can it stop now? Please.

doctorgnashoidz - has victim been in contact with police?

I cycle around their most days. Would be nice to know somethings being done about the driver/passenger. I can cope with being shouted at, punched and/or driven at not so much.

And your evidence for that undeniable statement of fact is?

Yes; it has been reported to the police and a statement will be made in due course.

I once traded words with a driver, followed him through the village. Then got assaulted.

Despite being in the right, and the driver being cautioned, it made me tone down my response to poor driving. I find a gentle "tut" soothes my soul just enough

might I make 3 observations ? :

Audi was overhanging the ASL (a bit) at the start of this

the Tweed-caped Crusader wasn't the first cyclist to leave the gutter and make (the intended) use of the main body of the bike box

He [b]justifiably[/b] took the prime position as he KNEW he was the boss of that particular peloton. The audi's lucky he didn't demand they pass him up a bottle or adjust his mech 8) 😉

Apologies, Junky! Didn't know what I was thinking! (It was rather a good lunch, you see...)

[quote=doctorgnashoidz ]Yes; it has been reported to the police and a statement will be made in due course.

Good.

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It says this though:

it is a defence to charges under sections 4A and 5, but not 4

You seem to be getting confused (either that or not articulating yourself well). The defence mentioned in that article which you refer to is the statutory defence which somebody could use in court if charged with the public order offence. The defence which wouldn't require a particularly good lawyer to get the cyclist off using (if the CPS charged him - the guidelines make it fairly clear they wouldn't). No possibility at all of him being charged under section 4 - it clearly fails the test for that.

Nothing at all to do with claiming "self defence" for punching somebody who's shouting nasty words at you - as the article makes clear, that is not a valid defence.

I really, really, really wish I lived in London! On all the youtube clips posted it always looks great! 😆

[url= https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=greggs+london&safe=active&ie=UTF-8&ei=FIfiUvi-GYbwhQe8n4GYDw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ ]Binners, old chap, just look at it! The streets are paved with steakbake! [/url]

Binners, old chap, just look at it! The streets are paved with steakbake!

What I think would be really valuable on this forum is some code that would interogate threads and lock them if the ratio of new opinions to total posts falls below, say, 1:10.

Can we make this part ofthe hiring criteria for the new PHP monkey? (I have nop idea what PHP is)

Theres more Greggs than that in Burnley Flashy! 😀

Well, yes, but they're in Burnley!

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[quote=Love Tubs ]Crazy legs is bang on the money - run for office dude.
I'll not vote for him until he answers my question

scotroutes - Member - Quote

crazy-legs »
Although the cyclist was doing nothing wrong from a LEGAL point of view (initially anyway) by taking the ASL, he was (IMHO) unwise to do so since it caused an unnecessary boxing in of the car.

Why do you think the ASL is the full width of the lane?

A good point, well made.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-23849081 ]though I did briefly think you'd popped up[/url] 😉

Yes; it has been reported to the police and a statement will be made in due course.

Is that the statement someone is writing for him, Just say sorry and have a man hug and its over with, or a long term relationship blossoms.

have zero sympathy for the cyclist whatsoever I'm afraid, total overreaction to a poor but not dangerous bit of driving.

If you pick fights with people in an aggressive fashion then you need to be prepared to back it up. Probably spent to long banging on the windows of old women trying to intimidate them and has always got away with it.

Won't surprise me if he now goes squealing to the police either...

for balance, guy who did the punching is a nob head as well.

Can someone please post that gif of Bill Murray in Groundhog Day smashing his alarm clock please 😀

Won't surprise me if he now goes squealing to the police either...

London - what a dump.

scotroutes - Member

I'll not vote for him until he answers my question

scotroutes - Member - Quote

Why do you think the ASL is the full width of the lane?

If I was being cynical Colin, I'd say that ASLs are the full width of the lane so that councils can say to cycling campaign groups "Look, we've given you some highly visible infrastructure, now sod off and leave us in peace"

If I was being kind, I'd say that it was so that right-turning cyclists could position themselves correctly in the lane.

ASLs are seen by cycling campaign groups as some sort of cure-all win for sustainable travel.
They're seen by councils as a way of spending their "green travel" budget and keeping the pesky cyclists quiet.
Experienced riders treat them as another optional extra in the generally woeful cycling infrastructure quiver.
Novice riders think they're some sort of sacrosanct rule that they must obey and MUST use.
And for drivers, they're just one more bit of meaningless paint on the road.

Sometimes, they can be useful.
Sometimes, they can quite literally be fatal, tempting novice riders up the inside of trucks and right into their blind spot.

All I'm saying is that [b]in this instance[/b], the cyclist was wrong to position himself there where it gave him zero advantage and actually increased the risk to himself and to the other riders. That's not to say that 10 minutes later, it may well have been the best thing to do based on the traffic and road conditions at that time.

So do I get your vote now?

You have my vote, CL.

London - what a dump.

That was my first thought but then recalled the week I spent down there with work at the end of last year and it was actually ok.

Its the fact that its got a higher ratio of bell ends on bikes and ****ers in smart cars who think cyclists are vermin than anywhere else that is the problem.

If you can't back your mouth up the dont give out the shit, no need for the rider to give the abuse if he'd have done somthing like cut him up the fair play, he should if put the bike through his windows as he's punched him don't think he'd be calling the police on him

Wow, this has worked up quite a response.
Car shouldn't have been in ASL, agreed. Cyclist could be there if he wanted, fair enough he got a bit heated.

BUT: it's London. You don't chase someone down and rap on their window because precisely this happens. The passenger is a thug and should be cautioned. He won't - and more importantly, the cyclist got a smack. Because in London, this kind of stuff happens.

I'd ask to get that video removed ASAP. It does our image no good at all and makes us out to be easy prey for the road bullies. A brother cyclist getting a beat down from an old man wearing corduroy trousers??? The only consolation is that he was English, but i feel shame all the same 😆

172,000 views now, that motorist is going to be very popular with cyclists and the Police then.

Jeeze,some of you wouldn't make very good witnesses in a court of law. The driver never left the car. You can see him at the end of the video through the open window wearing a cream sweater and you can see him pulling the drivers door closed from the inside whilst his friend throws a punch !

Best bit of this is the suited man on his hybrid speeding past the body condom clad pro riders. Just when he appears on the right, has me in stitches every time.

According to the comments on the video, both the driver and the passenger have been arrested and charged (it also gives their names if you want to go and look, but I'm not sure that is all that relevant).

Result - and if starting this thread helped with that, then I'm feeling very pleased with myself.

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I'd be properly tooled up if i lived down there. taxi driver type stuff.. retractable daggers in my slip-ons, knuckle dusters under my fingerless gloves, all that shit.

Is it me or are 90% of the cyclists ( and drivers, and pedestrians ) in London complete militant knobs - I'm so glad I don't live amongst all that aggression.

[quote=buzz1024 ]Is it me or are 90% of the cyclists ( and drivers, and pedestrians ) in London complete militant knobs - I'm so glad I don't live amongst all that aggression.
Remember, you're only seeing a snapshot of the worst behaviours. In the main, it's not like that at all. It would be pretty boring if everyone uploaded a video of their daily commute every day.