[Closed] Road: Groupsets

Chorus EPS, herself has just built some up, super nice.

Chorus is heavier than Force especially EPS...

Weight? I'd rather have reliability and longevity.

By buying Italian electronics? Good luck 🙂

6870 di2 - honest, it's great 🙂

Rather than throw away SRAM? I don't know anyone who doesn't think SRAM road is disposable. 😛

I don't know anyone who doesn't think SRAM road is disposable.

I don't...

...cue my shifters exploding on my next ride 😉

i detest the feel and shifting ability of SRAM, i love Campag but the increasing home-mechanic-unfriendliness of their parts puts me off, so Shimano for me every time YMMV

I looked at Chorus mechanical and it does look nice. It's a sparrows fart heavier than Force but £300 more or £200 from ze Garmans but non compact and my poor legs need compact these days.

I suppose I was looking for someone to talk me out if DA and into Force...

I suppose I was looking for someone to talk me out if DA and into Force...

That person would need to be crazy. Personally I'd go for 6800 and put the money saved towards some lovely wheels.

I suppose I was looking for someone to talk me out if DA and into Force...

I will if you like!! I converted to SRAM (Rival) about two years ago and c.6000 miles later it's still working great (famous last words, see above). If I change the groupset any time soon it is likely to be for Force.

For the money buying Force over DA you save you could build yourself some nice DA hubbed wheels, mmmm (that's what I'm doing!!) 😉

(YMMV though, as has been suggested)

Edit:

That person would need to be crazy.

Guess I must be crazy... 😆

I have Force 22 and Ultegra 6800 group sets and they're both great in their own ways but Shimano deffo feels more robust. Still prefer the shifting of SRAM though.

Guess I must be crazy...

There's always one 🙂

The new dura ace 9000 is stunning and lovely to use I ran it for 6 months if you have the cash it's the one !!!

If I were you I'd pick up an older dura ace 7800 groupset or just pick up bits off bay etc to build one .. Still a very very good groupset way better than 7900 ..

I'm going to buy new. Don't really fancy 6800 as I have 6700 on one bike and it's not different enough. 80g more than DA and £400 less is a compelling argument for Force assuming both DA and Force work well. Chorus is near enough the same weight as Force but at least £200 more.

What am I missing?

I've about to list in the classifieds both a Force and Di2 6800 Ultegra, Force is new and Ultegra has approx 1000 summer miles on it, if any interest. Only for sale as I've just picked up a new bike with Force 22 on it.

Blazin you don't have an email address in your profile.

Do you mean you have a Force group and a 6800 group? Can you email details to my address in profile please?

Yes I have a new force group, a slightly used ultegra 6800 di2 group and several used and new Force parts. I just need to go to the garage and check iexactly what I have and that it's in the condition I think it is. Dc30online AT gmail.com

I don't want 105 cos it's not nice enough.

5800 is amazing and no different to 6800 apart from a few grams and £200. For me the wheels make the difference not the groupset. Smart money would buy 5800 but if I was shitting money then I would go dura without question. Ultegra is nice but the extra £200 is not justifiable over 5800.

Don't really fancy 6800 as I have 6700 on one bike and it's not different enough.

Really.? Really really.? It's completely different. Maybe not to look at but to ride it couldn't be more different if it tried.

I have 5800 on another bike and, yes, it's nice.

I wouldn't say I'm shitting money but I do seem to baulk at an extra £400 for seemingly 80g. I've only done a couple of thousand miles on my current 6700 group so that's not getting changed yet. Wheels are sorted. I have a pair of Ksyrium Elite's and a pair of Reynolds Assault's. I'm not spending any money there.

So I'm in the market for Dura or Force or Chorus or Record... <sigh>

Blazin: YGM

I will second that 6800 is a completely different group set to 6700, the improvement is significant.

I'd get DA, or 6800 if budget is an issue. If you are happy with SRAM shifting and have the budget for DA then why not Red and shave a few more grams?

Dura Ace is the pinnacle of manual shifting. It really is amazing. New 105 is not the pinnacle but offers at least 80% of the performance. It is a step up from 6700. If you are happy with 6700 then DA will blow you away and leave a huge smile on your face.

I've just moved my 6700 to the race bike and put DA on the nice bike. Next year i'll go to Di2 on the race bike. DA will be on the nice. Bike for a VERY long time.

As for SRAM. Don't like the shifters. Campag - that's sora shifting for ultegra money :-). (my last bike was Campag btw - it's fine)

Slight hijack, but what is the difference in performance, if any, between a 5800 rear mech and an ultegra 6800 one ? I ask as my new 'adventure' bike has a 5800 group but I have a brand new 6800 rear mech in my box !

Long time user of SRAM -since 2009 anyway. I would put in a par with the ultegra groups I have used. I rate it higher than the chorus groupset i had though tbf that was over 10 years ago.

I have Record on my bets bike and it's superb

But my Winter/commute bike and centaur on it, and it's a smooth as a baby.

In fact the Centaur seems to be quieter than the record. 🙄

Slight hijack, but what is the difference in performance, if any, between a 5800 rear mech and an ultegra 6800 one ?

The colour and a few grams separate them. Functionally I don't think you would notice the difference just by swapping the mech. If you were to couple it with the Ultegra shiters then maybe, just maybe you would notice a difference.

Thanks neilsonwheels, think I'll just keep the ultegra as a spare. Picked it up cheap on CRC a few weeks back 😀

Buy 5800 and spend the rest elsewhere, I'm running 6700 and tempted by upgrade to 5800. Can't justify the extra for the ultegra, would rather spend that on wheels or something else.

I'm toying with the idea of a scott cr1 frame and dressing it with 6870 di2. there are some pretty good deals about at the moment on both.

dont really need a new fancy pants racer and what i should really do is save the money and wait for disks to sort themselves out next year before investing.

Chrispy, save me from myself then and buy my CR1 off me please.

The new 5800 and 6800 groupsets are excellent it hard to find faults really. Campagnolo groupsets may be more expensive but every thing they make just works. I have an old record 10 speed groupset and it performs like 6800 does but it is 10 years old. I wouldn't touch SRAM kit but i admit that is a bit of snobbery apart from the fact i cant stand double tap. So buy Shimano if you want reliable performance without a big spend. Buy Campagnolo if you want pretty, reliable and performance Apart from those new four arm chainsets cant get used to those.

SRAM all the way. With Shimano you use the brake lever to shift. This is stoopid, particularly for upshifts on the front. In my experience...

I had DA on my last road bike. Not sure what version. I liked it. Got SRAM Red on the new one and I like that too. Works, feels nice, double tap doesn't take much getting used to.

I think it I'm down to DA at £900 or Force at £500. For me, Force may not be quite as nice as DA but it works well enough and is only 80g heavier. It's also quite different from and ~250g lighter than 6700 which attracts me.

I think I feel the Force and I'll spend the £400 saved on crisps and pasties a la Hora 🙂

Well I fiddled and farted and faffed but eventually pressed the 'buy' button before the Ribble sale finishes today.

There really only was [i]one[/i] choice in the end 😉

You did buy Dura Ace and not that Force junk yes?

Errrm well, errrm. Yes 🙂

I quite liked the thought of Force and saving £400 but I want to build a really nice bike and Force looks a bit industrial. I'm sure it's very nice. I think the correct answer was actually 'Super Record' but all my other kit is Shim/Sram and the £££'s, oh the bloody £££'s.

This will give me something to do rather than riding the bloody things 🙂

There really only was one choice in the end

Red or DA would have been a more interesting choice. DA or Force if you have the budget for DA is a simple one.

I think the correct answer was actually 'Super Record' but all my other kit is Shim/Sram and the £££'s, oh the bloody £££'s.

I can't think of anything worse than having 3 incompatible (in places) groups spread across my bikes, a full house of frustration!

I went 5800 105 with an Ultegra rear mech. It's the only bit anyone notices anyway 🙂

Probably a bit late now but 'Cyclist' this month has a big article that explains the differences between each step in the heirarchy of groupsets from the big three manufacturers. Goes into detail of what precisely the difference is between say an Ultegra chainset versus a DA one.

Thanks. I think I read that on line. I was just faffing really. I nearly pressed the button half a dozen times. I was mucking around as this is a very real n+1 and there is no logical reason (or space) for it. Pure indulgence. As Andy would say; 'I want that one'. 🙂

Well I'm the guy who had DA7900 on his race bike and then got seduced with DA9000 Di2 for a bargain price (also from Ribble) so I bought that and put the 7900 onto the winter training bike!

So you don't need to explain or justify yourself to me. What's not to like about Dura Ace or any of the other top groupsets from the big three?

Yes the performance gain might be relatively marginal, but its more than discernable enough to be felt and enjoyed.

So....enjoy 😀