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I thought I would get multiple brilliant things in one post 🙂
Revs is open again, which is brilliant 🙂 note the very limited uplift opportunities and the push up is a bit keen. Regardless, lots of ace stuff there, Ffar Side jump line, Freeride etc and for the more adventurous, Vision Line. I’m hoping to get to that by the end of the summer. You can also session the lower Freeride with the decent optional gaps as there is a peel off to the right. You don’t even need to go up the hill to have a lot of fun, the short skills trails / features next to the car park are excellent, small to big and challenging features, I’ve done 15 miles on them alone in the last five days. Brilliant!
Peaty’s new grips? They are like a wonderful combination of Deathgrips and GE1 Evo, I got the thin mushroom grip and they really are superb. Even after a full day at Revs, I didn’t think about grips, hands or forearms. Very good and easy grippy 🙂
And the last bit of awesomeness this week; TruTune carbon insert. I was slightly sceptical but thought it worth a try. Stuck it in my 170mm Lyriks; excellent forks but not perfect. Absolutely superb now, they now feel great on smaller, bumpy and often more gentle stuff whilst being able to comfortably suck up massive hits, they have had a serious workout this week. At 74kg, I left the one spacer I already had in, upped the pressure by 15psi, everything else the same, and they are now another fit and forget item.
And the sun is shining 🙂
I can feel your stoke from here mate 😀
So, the TruTune widget - does it make much difference to the stiction in the first touch that you often get on air forks, do you think?
I'm not sure if it's that I don't like about my Zeb, or generally being too progressive - which this obvs would help with.
The Trutune insert is to make the fork feel more linear. My fox 34s with no tokens still felt too progressive so put the carbon insert in. Works really well. Perfect for lighter riders
@chakaping yes, that’s what I didn’t like about my fork and now feels much better! I was considering going to a coil because of it but don’t need to bother now!
Thanks, that puts the cat among the pigeons as I was 90% set on a coil conversion for my Zeb.
@chakaping my friend also has a Zeb Ultimate and has just put the insert in, I will quiz him as to his thoughts, he’s a heavier rider than me too so should give a slightly different perspective…
@chakaping my friend actually put the insert in his Fox 38, he does have one for his Zeb, but hasn’t tried it yet. In the 38, with him at 95kg, he is undecided of its benefit at the moment…
Coil conversion is the bollocks tbh, all my bikes have coil forks now but the nice thing about the trutune is it's reversible and not terribly expensive, plus you'll probably have no problems reselling it. So why not try, before coil swapping, which is more expensive and pretty much irreversible?
(I've never regretted coil for a second but if I was starting over I'd definitely try a trutune first, if only out of curiosity, I've a soft spot stuff that works despite sounding like homeopathy)
@Northwind “sounds like homeopathy” pretty much sums up my first thoughts when I heard about them :):):)
Thanks for the update 🙂
I thought the point of the trutune was to make the fork more linear? I find fox forks too progressive even without any tokens in so it was perfect for me. Its advertised as being like -2 tokens so dont see the benefit if someone already has more than 2 tokens installed. Just remove one of them.
Good to hear about the grips. I find deathgrips wear far too quickly and have moved to other options, but always on the lookout for something. I generally think a mushroom style works well. I’d likely go for the thicker rather than thin version
good thing about the Peaty's grip is that they are wide. they are pretty much the same dimensions as the Sensus Meaty Paw, but the Peaty's seem softer,
I’ve done several days at Revs now in just over a week and if anything, I’m liking the forks and the grips more than ever 🙂 Re the grips and options, I am not convinced the “thin” grips actually feel thin, and feel a bit like some other brands thick grips from a comfort perspective but with decent feel and control. Worth a feel if there is a physical shop that sells them near you and you can compare them.
When setting up the TruTune, I would personally up the pressures even more than they suggest and keep checking them and gradually adjust depending on travel used and feel. Looking forward to hearing how others get on!
I had about an hour riding the TruTune on my Zeb last night. Fitted it mid-ride, so had a fresh feel for the fork with/without it.
First impressions are excellent, a few notes:
- Seems to go into the travel/overcome stiction a touch easier
- Tracks better, with more feel for what the wheel is doing
- Probably easier to get deeper into travel, but also feels more controlled
Needs more riding to confirm and to take on some gnarlier trails than Rivi has to offer (but I did do Ice Cream Run to finish).
Also have the "thin" peaty grips and agree, feel nearly as big as the ODI rogues I always used to run. They're brilliant grips, comfy and cushioned but grippy.
I’ve got the “long” TruTune in my 140mm Pike and it’s definitely made it more supple and active. Far less chatter through the bars.
As Paul Daniels would say, “it’s magic”.
I had about an hour riding the TruTune on my Zeb last night. Fitted it mid-ride, so had a fresh feel for the fork with/without it.
First impressions are excellent, a few notes:
– Seems to go into the travel/overcome stiction a touch easier
– Tracks better, with more feel for what the wheel is doing
– Probably easier to get deeper into travel, but also feels more controlled
Last year I picked up a DSD Runt for my Lyriks and went on the chase of lower pressures for softer off the top but ended up with it being too soft in the middle for my taste, ended up back at my normal pressures with it in. Interesting to read your impression of the TruTune isnt too dissimilar to what I found. For me, maybe I do prefer a progressive over a linear fork!
I've since picked up some Zebs so stealth ad if any 170m Lyrik owners would like a more linear fork.
Last year I picked up a DSD Runt for my Lyriks and went on the chase of lower pressures for softer off the top but ended up with it being too soft in the middle for my taste, ended up back at my normal pressures with it in.
I think the TruTune solves a problem that's more noticeable in the Zeb (and 38?), I certainly found my old 2.1 Lyrik was much better in terms of actual suspension performance (love the Zeb chassis though).
Critically for me, I think it makes the fork more predictable.
Critically for me, I think it makes the fork more predictable.
I suspect this is the reduction of speed sensitivity from the adiabatics of compression. It's mentioned but not talked about much, I guess because it's as much a head bender for people as adsorption.
I suspect this is the reduction of speed sensitivity from the adiabatics of compression.
Oh yes, definitely that 😀
I just about understand that I like linear suspension because it's predictable, I presume this is the mechanism that achieves that?
“I suspect this is the reduction of speed sensitivity from the adiabatics of compression.”
I was just googling to understand this and the second hit was a thread I started here and have clearly forgotten about:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/why-air-springs-will-never-feel-like-coils/
Ha! Perfect. Complete with me being Oscar the grouch.
And for the record, my Zeb with the TruTune widget doesn't feel like a coil fork.
It feels like a better air fork, albeit closer to coil.
But hang on, why would I want another TruTune thingy in my negative chamber as well?
https://trutune.co.uk/products/hit
They suggest having one of their "magic extra air volume" products in each chamber - so the original product wasn't just about fixing the balance between pos & neg volumes?
so the original product wasn’t just about fixing the balance between pos & neg volumes?
I may make myself look an idiot here but I thought the product was to give the effect of a larger air spring relative to the travel and therefore a more linear rate. Doing the same to the negative spring sounds sensible if a little ‘OK, how can we sell more of this stuff’
BUT this is the reason I’d only considered it for my longer travel forks that ramp up maybe too much for me but not my 140mm Pikes that I’m more likely to stick a token in. And I may have the theory all wrong
Doing the same to the negative spring sounds sensible if a little ‘OK, how can we sell more of this stuff’
its a logical extension of the luftkappe
I wonder if a fork manufacturer will license a double trutune fork, with both airchambers
BUT this is the reason I’d only considered it for my longer travel forks that ramp up maybe too much for me but not my 140mm Pikes that I’m more likely to stick a token in. And I may have the theory all wrong
I have one in my 160mm lyriks and 140mm Z2s and while its brilliant on the bigger forks its not as noticeable an improvement on the Z2s
I wonder if a fork manufacturer will license a double trutune fork, with both airchambers
When I was riding the fork with the TT for the first time the other day, I was wondering why Sram or Fox hadn't bought the company out already.
Do they have a patent for MTB use of this tech? They're clearly struggling to scale the business, so selling up to one of the two big players would seem ideal - and Sram already bought Shockwiz IIRC.
I've been considering the TruTune for my 36 Rhythm, although I think I need the 34 version due to stanchion wall thickness. Anyway, it's good to hear some feedback on them.
Regarding the HIT, I chatted to them briefly at Ard Rock last weekend. The suggestion was that some riders have to add a fair bit more air when adding the FLOW, meaning that the initial small bump sensitivity wasn't as good and adding the HIT in combination with the FLOW solved the problem. I think that's right anyway!
My 23 Lyrik can feel a bit harsh over small chattery rocks but I need to do some messing with the fork as is before buying a TruTune. I may have a token to remove but can't remember what's in there!
Fitted a TruTune to my Revelations (already with a Novyparts splug in them) and took it for a ride today. Upped pressure from 75 to 80psi but as others have said, it takes much less force for small chattery bumps taken at speed and feel much more composed still over medium sized hits. I’m impressed.