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You are quite agressive emac65 aren't you.
[i]Samuri pick a motorway late at night, you'll be fine. [/i]
yeah, touch wood.
BoardinBob if you jump a light in your car you will get penalty points if caught.If you do it on a bike you won't.
That probably explains it.
Exactly. And I'd quite happily see cyclists get points for RLJ'ing amongst other offences.
[i]I've had a RLJ almost crash into the back of me because I had the audacity to stop at a red light, the idiot actually muttered under his breath as he went past... [/i]
He was clearly a knob. As I say, no impact on other road users...
Well not if it distracts you from your driving, that would be irresponsible.
Ah.. which is why you have so much time to get wound up by these little things.
Nice position to be in mind, not having to work for a living.
Further legislation is always the answer.
That's what I thought, which is why I hired someone else to do it for me.
You are quite agressive emac65 aren't you.
LOL,not one bit mate 🙄
I love these threads where you know if it wasn't on the internet then either everyone would be dead nice and see everyone else's point of view, or at least agree to disagree and not be so bloody po-faced, or it would degenerate into some kind of half-arsed fisticuffs.
For what it's worth I commute in Glasgow. I occasionally jump reds when I think it's much safer for me or more considerate to motorists to do so. I do not approve of jumping reds just to save time or to avoid stopping (I'm looking at you fixed riders). Having said that I'm much more annoyed by seasonal commuters on shonky bikes with saddles too low down, cycling in the gutter at 5mph. But that's me.
[i]Nice position to be in mind, not having to work for a living.[/i]
Yeh it's wonderful. As I said before I'm not wound up at all, I was slightly pissed off at the time but noting more. There are others getting stressed about it though.
[i]LOL,not one bit mate[/i] Fair enough, just how you come across. In certain situation people who end a sentence 'pal' appear quite aggresive. But then again I'm from Glasgow.
This guy gets all upset if he thinks others are doing it
i once nearly casued a crash draggign a bunch of dying roadies through the last 20 miles of a sportive.
Turns out they wern't expeciting me to lock when the light turned red :-p
There are others getting stressed about it though.
Really, who's that then ?I always think it's everyone trying to wind everyone else up,never thought people wrote what they really think on these threads........
Rockplough go easy on the fixies. When your bars are only 8 inches wide you need some momentum for added balance. In addition, stopping at lights can be difficult when you have no brakes and are riding clipped pedals in a pair of converse whilst attempting to keep your fringe out of your eyes. Its a tough gig.
I'm not wound up because I had a lovely relaxing commute to work on my SS today. Track stand at a couple of lights, floated casually across a red light or two along with half a dozen or so other cyclists, not forgetting to track stand again and let the nice pedestrians cross the road. Didnt clip out the whole way down, sun was shining, I am the happy traveller.
mcboo I hope you also waved cheerily to passing pedestrians and performed an additional track stand to nose manual to let a small kitten cross the street?
you can touch my wood Samuri
I did. Then I fell flat on my pud and am typing this from casualty.
Why do bad things happen to good people?
I wouldn't go near it you dirty red light jumper.
Right now the biggest danger on the roads in London (and I kid you not) are all the pretty girls riding Pashleys and fixies in skirts and kitten heeled shoes. Totally inapropriate footwear and likely to cause men all over the capital to suffer a momentary loss of concentration.
BlackDog if you write to the Daily Telegraph and demand action be taken you can count on my support, likely Simon Heffer's too.
I always think it's everyone trying to wind everyone else up,never thought people wrote what they really think on these threads........
Perhaps you should go on Jeremy Kyle show instead of posting here then? 8)
Do you RLJ in the car? If not, why not? You'll get where you're going faster?
No.
Why? Because my car has a numberplate on it and I'll get caught and fined, and it's a bit trickier in a car anyway. They're bigger, see?
I have to say that I've encountered two RLJs in the last two weeks that are perfect evidence as to why cyclists shouldnt RLJ, and why laws exist against it. The first I was driving my car to work, a cyclist ran a red at speed and missed the front of my car by inches, followed by a turning and hurling insults at me. The car behind almost hit me and I lost a decent amount of tyre tread in the stopping process. The second I was cycling to work and a cyclist ran a red on the road I was crossing, it had no direct impact on me (although if I'd been 1 second earlier I'd have T-boned him) but a pedestrian standing on the junction about to cross his road was startled by the cyclist he had assumed would stop and jumped sideways into the road in front of me. I had to swerve to avoid him and was nearly taken out by a car that was safely about to overtake me.
RLJers are narrow minded idiots with no understanding of the dangers they pose to others.
RLJers are narrow minded idiots with no understanding of the dangers they pose to others.
That's a rather sweeping statement, to say it's based on such little knowledge....
RLJers who don't look around them you mean?
And are your tyres made of plasticene? What speed were you doing you hooligan?!
No.
Why? Because my car has a numberplate on it and I'll get caught and fined, and it's a bit trickier in a car anyway. They're bigger, see?
Number plates for bikes then 😉
Ay Ay, Calm Down, Calm Down
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He isn't even wearing a helmet. Some people are just reckless.
LOL!
Seems to me that this thread is made up of a lot of RLJers trying to justify their unjustifiable actions.
Look, if you want to jump red lights then fine, you're going to do it regardless, but I wouldn't waste my time trying to justify my selfish actions on an internet forum. Pointless.
Classic forum-time-waste-high-horse post, and in itself, just as pointless as everything else on this thread.
RLJers are narrow minded idiots with no understanding of the dangers they pose to others.
Agreed - makes me mad too..
And the self indulgent, I'll do what I like / has no impact on anyone else / mind your own business comments that are always wheeled out to justify the behaviour makes me even madder… Not because I’m a self righteous nob, but because they are the views of the utterly selfish and irresponsible.
RLJing is illegal and winds up other road users – I know I commute regularly, and am regularly subject to verbal abuse and worse from drivers…
The argument that it doesn’t impact anyone else is utter nonsense – as subjective and self-justifying as your decision to jump the light in the first place. Three recent incidents come to my mind:
1, similar to the post above, as a car driver, I was nearly involved in a crash at a junction where a cyclist jumped the lights and other traffic had to take avoiding action.
2, as a cyclist turning right through a TL junction, a loon on a bike jumping the lights forced me to take avoiding action – action that forced me to change my line into the path of a bus. For once the bus driver was paying attention and didn’t hit me…
and 3, as a pedestrian, I had to jump out of the way of an RLJ cyclist, whilst crossing the road. As a fit and agile mtber I could do that, but the middle / older aged woman who was also crossing at the same time had a very close shave.
To anyone with any common sense, what I have described above should present a pretty clear picture of selfish disregard for anyone but themselves.
And this morning I saw a Warburton's truck and a bus both run red lights at about 9.30 when the roads were pretty busy.
The bus ran the red light after the right turn filter had come on for me.
I don't think cyclists running red lights is the worst thing in the world, and if someone could tell me how, in real terms, running a red light slowly and going across the crossroads is any more dangerous than walking on a red man I would stop laughing at the ridiculousness of this thread which was in all likelyhood started as a troll.
Agreed - makes me mad too..And the self indulgent, I'll do what I like / has no impact on anyone else / mind your own business comments that are always wheeled out to justify the behaviour makes me even madder… Not because I’m a self righteous nob, but because they are the views of the utterly selfish and irresponsible.
RLJing is illegal and winds up other road users – I know I commute regularly, and am regularly subject to verbal abuse and worse from drivers…
The argument that it doesn’t impact anyone else is utter nonsense – as subjective and self-justifying as your decision to jump the light in the first place. Three recent incidents come to my mind:
1, similar to the post above, as a car driver, I was nearly involved in a crash at a junction where a cyclist jumped the lights and other traffic had to take avoiding action.
2, as a cyclist turning right through a TL junction, a loon on a bike jumping the lights forced me to take avoiding action – action that forced me to change my line into the path of a bus. For once the bus driver was paying attention and didn’t hit me…
and 3, as a pedestrian, I had to jump out of the way of an RLJ cyclist, whilst crossing the road. As a fit and agile mtber I could do that, but the middle / older aged woman who was also crossing at the same time had a very close shave.
To anyone with any common sense, what I have described above should present a pretty clear picture of selfish disregard for anyone but themselves.
Ahh, diddums.
Just for you I'm going to make sure I jump some lights on my way home. And ride on the pavement.
Just for the record, I'm not even attemping to justify it. I know it wrong, thanks, I know it's possibly dangerous, and I'm GLAD it annoys people.
Not everyone who jumps lights runs over old ladies though do they. Maybe they are extra careful to look around them before they cross, given the situation.
Next you'll be saying all black people are reckless cyclists because the man in the Bran Flakes ad tries to goad Chris Hoy into a winner-takes-all street race.
Firstly I can assure you that my original post was not a troll.
So what's your point on 2 cars running red light? I assume you think that isn't a problem as if it's acceptable to do it on a bike then why not in a vehicle.
I didn't say cyclists running red lights is the worst thing in the world and whilst it may not be any more dangerous than walking on a red man that isn't quite the point of my post.
[i]Just for the record, I'm not even attemping to justify it. I know it wrong, thanks, I know it's possibly dangerous, and I'm GLAD it annoys peopl[/i] How grown up of you.
There are clear circumstance where going thru the lights on red is SAFER due to poor road design!
Under these circumstances I go thru the red light. Slowly, when the road is clear of cars and pedestrians. I will not compromise my safety.
We had this debate a while ago and several good example of this were given.
I understand that TJ, as I said in my original post. This mornings rlj wasn't one of those circumstances. Not mega busy junction, ASL, straight road, easy to negotiate junction. It was done purely becuase he couldn't be bothered stopping.
Don't bother BlackDog - you wont change anybody's mind and you'll just get wound up. I had a few of these posts recently and you'll always get people thinking that bending the law is OK as long as you 'don't get caught' or 'what halm' will it to or I've been doing this fox x years. You've made your point just give up IMO. I bet they would be all embarrassed / ashamed if the long arm of the law caught them as they would with a speeding fine in the car what ever they might say here in this relatively annonymous arena!
Fair enough BlackDog - I have no timne for those type of red light jumpers either - I don't go thru red lights for my convenience - only for my safety.
I was really answering a couple of points above who would not accept that there are circumstances where going thru the red light is safer than getting tangled up with cars by waiting for the green.
Points such as this drivel
RLJers are narrow minded idiots with no understanding of the dangers they pose to others.
We had this debate a while ago and several good example of this were given.
Example please of this poor road design?
In the meantime, if you feel there's a section of road that's hazardous, adopt the primary position and navigate it sensibly. I encounter every conceivable road hazard on my commute, yet I don't feel the need to beat the traffic away from the lights. Sensible, confident cycling with awareness of surrounding traffic will be just fine.
I know of a narrow bridge with lights on all 3 junctions
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Where it's impossible to cycle across the bridge between your light going green & the other side going green
As it's narrow the traffic coming at you can't do much either