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That's the warning.
It's most definitively a troll.
cynic-al - MemberTJ are you just ignoring me now?
I'll take that as acceptance of defeat if so.
Yes
Take it anyway you want "winning" seems to be so important to you. 😐
ohhhhhhh BB in your experiance maybe,,,,,, not so the red gaiter nazis on my locals.
google, wigan evening post 'garot (sp?) wire trap injures bike rider in haigh hall' or the MBR issue that featured the same article, you will see the lovely scar i aquired, i ALWAYS give walkers a wide birth, am always polite and NEVER approach at speed
PS sorry i didnt hang on to your every word, im just not one for having an online argument,,, sorry. although, can i ask what in your opinion is a retard ?,,,, just for future reference.
PS, my statment was ment to be tongue in cheek,,, sorry for not being able to find the apropriate 'smiley'
thread made me think of this.
FWIW i never use bells, i think they are rude. a cheerful 'AFTERNOON!' from a distance is all that is needed ime. and i NEVER expect a bell when i'm out walking in the hills - its wierd and out of place.
It's most definitively a troll.
But quite a good one.
I've only read page 1 so far (seen enough already bwahaha :D) but agree with DruidH, Hope Pro 2's or any other clicky free hub works well, works for me anyway as they usually look round when I'm at least 20 metres or more away.
Nobody leaves the bell on a MTB do they? Don't see them on Road bikes either for that matter and Joe public could step out into your path you know!
I've developed this totally rad and awesome set of skills (Full face helmet and knee/elbow pads optional) where I actually pull off these cool as you like finger manoeuvres over these metal thingies located near to the shifters on the other side of the grips, it's like, totally awesome man, you should all try it, gives me the ability to side swerve all the wrinkly red sock crew at such ultra low speeds, they even say hello to me, how cool is that dudes?
It seems to me that he further north, ( maybe further from London) the further from the towns and the worse the weather the better respoonse you get from walkers.
Deary me.. 🙄
brandeberryj - Member
Well for a start off moron the word FOOTPATH also further down it says byway open to all traffic a clear statement that others are not. Also as there are stiles on a footpath then the farmer would be breaking the law if cyclist were allowed to use it...as it is illegal to block a right of way. And of course there is something called the highways act which clearly states it
You're either a rubbish, unfunny troll or a complete cretin. Either way, disappear please.
Found a solution to the problem!
SORRY JUST NEED TO HAVE THE LAST WORD.
"SICKINING USING A FAMILY MEMBER LIKE THAT",,
UNTIL YOU ARE PART OF A CLOSE NIT FAMILY THAT TAKES OFFENCE AT SOME 'IDIOT' COMMENTING ON SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO EXPERIANCE OF,,,,,, NEED I SAY MORE
"CLEARLY A BULLY BOY ATTITUDE"
IM A POT SMOKING LIBERAL HIPPY YOU PLEB,,,,,, I TREAT PEOPLE AS I EXPECT...
"I READ THE TIMES"
KEEP THAT TO YOUR SELF PAL,,,,,, IT IS NOTHING TO BE PROUND OF.
TandemJeremy - Memberrubberneck - Member
.......THE AMOUNTG OF TIMES I HAVE CRAWLED UP TO A GROUP OF WALKERS ONLY TO HEAR ONE OF THE GROUP HISTERICALY SCREAM ''BIKE'' AND WATCH THEM DIVE INTO BUSHES LIKE ITS A RAMPAGING BULL,,,, YOu (whoops capslock) cannot win.
It in that situation that a ping from a distance away sometimes helps
Posted 1 hour ago #
Or a friendly ding-a-ling from a suitable distance, remember TJ yours is not the only way to enlightenment IMHO.
I'd not normally jump on the bandwagon of rambler-hating but this week ... grrrr
Weve just had the heaphy track reopened to biking in the off season. Its a lovely 80k (paper road - quesitonable) off road ride which is in an area that was made a national park in 96 (i think) so became off limits. Its reasonably remote in that its apoint-to-point to get to the start its well out that way as is the finish. if you drove back from finish to start it would be 5+ hours. So it gets light traffic, something like 3000 people per annum, 80% in SUMMER. So they have decreed to allow biking in the winter (May-Sept). Bear in mind the numbers - thats roughly 600 people walk it in 6 months over this period, so 25ish a week, its 80k long so each person has 3.2km of clear track 🙄
Well OMG if the paper wasn't full of letter from 'outraged tramper', 'i'll never walk it again, i last walked it in 1982 and it was brilliant', 'we'll be run over byt the millions of bikes on it', 'think OF THE CHILDREN' etc etc
I wonder how many of them wrote letters to DOC during the consultation process ? Honestly, hand wringing annoying moaners the world over take up tramping. I walk, run and bike. I applaud the decision to share the countryside with all user groups. But oh no the tramping crowd want to keep it to just them. I'm annoyed about this, and its MONDAY ffs. 😆
hungry monkey - that's a great clip.
I loved the way they moved out of the way for a "bike" on the escalator 🙂
Obviously we need more Japanese walkers.
I often wonder about this whole RoW thing. At what point in English history did the right of the common man to free movement across land become subject to these restrictions?
Fair enough bikepawlOr a friendly ding-a-ling from a suitable distance, remember TJ yours is not the only way to enlightenment IMHO
I still think the key thing is to alert them to your presence from a distance away so as not to startle. Its easier to do this with a bell IMO and IME the walkers prefer a bell to a shouted " excuse me"
epicyclo - Member
I often wonder about this whole RoW thing. At what point in English history did the right of the common man to free movement across land become subject to these restrictions?
The enclosures? Goes back a long long way
A polite ting ting from 30 yards away, then a " thank you" as they let you by.I have never had anyone complain about using a bell, I have been thanked numerous times for using one, I really missed it when for a couple of weeks I did not have one.
Got to agree with TJ on these comments...bells work imo and I'm often thanked for having one.
+1
absolutely agree 100%..
on the trails (and footpaths 😳 ) that I ride down here in the very popular walking destination of Devon I've only really been given grief by one rambler and I was blatantly in the wrong on that occasion so I wonder if I'm just very fortunate..
I have only ever recieved gratitude and 'I wish more people would fit a bell.. is it uncool or something these days' type comments for the polite ting a ling from a distance before approaching slowly and cheerfully..
Bell = Great Public Relations exercise.. why on earth wouldn't you?
I can understand that on your commutes a bell might not go down well.. people are angry enough at that time of day without your tinkly input.. and inconsiderate use of a bell any[i]where[/i] or any[i]time[/i] is gonna rub people up the wrong way too..
I really cannot for the life of me understand the type of cyclist who has very fixed anti-bell sentiments.. did you just forget or were you to cowardly to rebel as a youth..? Is that why you now insist on making up for it in utterly pointless ways that just irritate everyone around you..?
Even better public relations exercise; stop.
Get off.
Say Hello.
Have a chat.
Not always possible, I agree, but I make the effort.
So we are agreed then, when aproaching walkers from behind, a audible friendly warning of your prescence is the best approach.
I've spent the last 15 minutes reading each post. I've been fascinated by the descent from discourse to disagreement and finally to hostility.
For fear of being sanctimonious I hope at least some of the people who participated in this forum brawl reflect a bit on their behaviour.
To quote John Lennon "the more I see the less I know for sure"
RIGHT THATS IT,
FK IT,
A BELL ON MY LOCALS = NO MOVEMENT+ A 'how dare you scowel'
THE ONLY WAY THEY GIVE YOU RIGHT OF WAY IS IF THEY FEEL INTIMIDATED.
A BELL IS OF NO USE ,,,,, the mother in law is a big walker and agrees with my opinion,,,,,, I HAVE HAD WALKERS STICK THEIR WALKING STICKS ACROSS THE TRAIL WHEN I HAVE APPROACHED THEM,,,SLOWLEY,,, THIS IN MY OPINION IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE,,IF SOMEBODY PULLS A STICK ON ME IM THINKING ABOUT A JAB+UPPERCUT+SWEEP TO THE LEGS,,,, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG !
from now on i will fly past walkers at full tilt to see how they like it........... HOW DARE THEY EXPECT ME TO GIVE THEM RIGHT OF WAY
after all they have no 'i am approaching' warning signal,so why the **** should i,
if they had any brains they would keep to one side of the path as they do in europe which is a MUCH MORE 'BIKE FRIENDLY'PLACE
ITS FUNNY HOW THE HIGH WAY CODE ASKS WALKERS TO FACE ON COMING TRAFFIC... EG WALK ON THE RIGHT..... BUT OFF ROAD ITS A FREE FOR ALL,,,, AM I WRONG ?
sorry for cranky posts,,,,,,, to much post ride carb VINO
How about this for a bell....
A quick parp from about two meters away is sure to let any ramblers know you're there!
+1 if it's on a canal towpath as the resulting dive into the water by the rambler would mean that the path was free for any further cyclists who come past within the next 5 minutes (or however long it takes them to get out of the water)
On a serious note however, I see nothing wrong with slowing to a near stop and saying "Excuse me." It's polite and as long as cyclists are allowed on the path/trail that you are using, you have as much right to be there as any rambler.
rubberneck - Member
....sorry for cranky posts,,,,,,, to much post ride carb VINO
Obviously! But do us a favour, if you follow your action plan, please put some playing cards in your spokes so the walkers think it's motorcyclists to blame 🙂
On a more serious note,
TandemJeremy - Member
'epicyclo - Member
I often wonder about this whole RoW thing. At what point in English history did the right of the common man to free movement across land become subject to these restrictions?'
The enclosures? Goes back a long long way
That's what I thought too, but not sure. It seems to me the landowners have taken away rights from English citizens. Maybe it's time to take them back.
Can we all walk across your garden when we feel like it then?
So ... have you ever been out for a walk? Do you realise that you can't always hear a bike coming from behind, particularly if it's an ss without Hope hubs/Hope Minis?
Are you aware that not everyone has perfect hearing? Many 'ramblers' are elderly and they are perfectly entitled to be on the trails. They can easily be intimidated by a speeding cyclist.
Why not treat each ride as a PR exercise? You know, say 'good morning', ask how far they're walking, comment about the weather. Courtesy goes a long way in this world so treat others in the way you yourself would like to be treated.
I shout "RIDER" or "RIDERS" from 100 or so meters away. This gives Albert , Stanley and Gracie about enough time to stop , turn round , see me bearing down on them at totally innapropriate speed for the track im on. I then witness the discussion between Albert and Gracie about young men on bicyles these days, whilst Stanley steps to one side. Upon seeing Stanley step to one side Gracie and Albert then step to the other side. Gracie decides that a game of Mike Reads "RunAround " in now on, so She decides to switch back to Stanleys side of the track. The track is now being zig zagged by the other coffin dodgers who now need to hurl all sorts of insluts. None of which I can hear as I have Bring me the Horizon turned up to 11 on my MP3 and I leave Gracie and Stan in a cloud of dust as I fly by at a little over 7 mph.
Repeat all over the SDW any Sunday from Feb - Oct.
To be honest Cinnamon_girl, if I was out riding and ramblers kept stopping me and asked me 21 questions It'd annoy the hell out of me. I mean just imagine if people in cars did it..both drivers stop and wind down their windows and have a good old chinwag. I can't see it happening really but if you're friendly and polite I see no reason why a rambler should be annoyed with you, after all taking a step to one side to let someone pass isn't that taxing a task, even for an old aged pensioner (which not all ramblers are.)
I must admit, whilst being impressed by PeterPoddy's bell two years ago, I have resorted to shouting "Ding Ding" as I approach walkers. No-one has complained so far, and a few people have, surprisingly said "Nice Bell!" which kind of makes me think it works. I shout it respectfully and in an appropriate manner obviously.
Mind you, I've trained both my children to respond to a whistle rather than shouting their names, so either I'm a pioneer, or a weirdo.
Works a treat though!
Edric 64 - Member
Can we all walk across your garden when we feel like it then?
Trolling? Maybe the concept of good manners has been lost with your access rights, but the way it works in Scotland and in most Scandanavian countries is you avoid going close to residences and respect crops etc. I won't quote the laws - they're on the web for all to see.
I know where theres heaps of spare bells. I plan to carry a few on every ride from now on. If i ever get asked where my bell is, i will scatter a few at the walkers feet and carry on with the ride.
Ding ding.
Loving it!
"I shout "RIDER" or "RIDERS" from 100 or so meters away. This gives Albert , Stanley and Gracie about enough time to stop , turn round , see me bearing down on them at totally innapropriate speed for the track im on. I then witness the discussion between Albert and Gracie about young men on bicyles these days, whilst Stanley steps to one side. Upon seeing Stanley step to one side Gracie and Albert then step to the other side. Gracie decides that a game of Mike Reads "RunAround " in now on, so She decides to switch back to Stanleys side of the track. The track is now being zig zagged by the other coffin dodgers who now need to hurl all sorts of insluts. None of which I can hear as I have Bring me the Horizon turned up to 11 on my MP3 and I leave Gracie and Stan in a cloud of dust as I fly by at a little over 7 mph.
Repeat all over the SDW any Sunday from Feb - Oct."
It can be pretty much the same in the Beacons too.
I often offer to show ramblers my bell when they ask me where it is....well, I did do until PC Plod decided to pay me a visit. In that visit, he explained that it is actually illegal to show your bell to ramblers (or anyone in fact,) no matter how shiny and nice it looks.
Since my stern telling off, I've simply been parping once or twice when going past ramblers...It doesn't have quite the same shock value but the look on their faces when the smell becomes apparent is still jolly amusing!
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avoid bells. get a big car horn instead. arrrwoooogaaaah
You get one chance to make a first impression (on behalf of all us mtbers) so make it a good one and just be as polite as possible and then ride on. Conflict solves nothing 8)
i managed to read through the first three or four TJ responses then decided that untill the STW Killfile can be made to fix IE6, i wont bother.
I realise that teh pr0n and teh swears offend some people, so they report the relevant posts. Im offended by TJs tripe, should i report it, or just remove STW from my faves?
I have seen the Trool of the week has given my earlier posts a bit of abuse and I see no reason in arguing OR SHOUTING!!!
I feel ramblers and walkers near me (generally older folk) expect a cyclist to ride with a bell. It may not be the same with more modern walkers, but in a day and age where we all share the countryside i will show fellow people on the trails the same respect I would like them to show me.
A bell from a distance, then a polite nod or thank you, Possibly a chat if there is an opportunity.
Singlespeed_Shep - Member
...we all share the countryside
Says it all really.
Don't spoil the other person's share.
A bell from a distance, then a polite nod or thank you, Possibly a chat if there is an opportunity.
I find that cracking out the tea set works a treat, but only if you have a decent supply of shortbread to boot.
cubemeup - Memberi had a case the other week with rambblers standing in the middle of the briddle way about 15-20 of them. did move or attempt top move. one stood there with his hands on his hips so i stopped and had a little word only tyo find out he was and english man telling a welsh man i shouldnt be riding there!! it was my local ride and on common land, i think of he wasnt 50+ i might of given him a swift lefty!!
please note nothing against english but im sure an english man wouldnt like a welsh lad to say to stop riding in his land!!
Well, to be honest, until I lived in Wales for 10 years I had no idea how small minded some of the 'locals' can be.
You already admitted it's not your land. I don't really have any land either, but if I did, I'm not sure their nationality would come into it, more their attitude. I'm sure I'd have taken your post more seriously if it wasn't full of thinly veiled hatred of another nation with no good reason, but hey ho...
Now cae dy geg! 😉
I was hoping that was Welsh for NIMBY. Nevermind. 🙁
Seems to me that this is just an english problem, I never get any hassle up here at all, infact it's pretty friendly, is it a cultural thing or is it just purely becasue the law is different down there and people thinking they have some legitimate claim to the land? dunno, but this walkers/bikers conflict that i read about on the forums is completely alien to me...
Happened to me not too long ago in France.
Ironically, the woman in question was standing right next this sign nailed to a post. It had a triangle and two little circles on it. The mind boggles.
Not reading 5 whole pages of this but I think what everyone here would like (apart from peace, harmony, love thy fellow trail user, etc) is for walkers to hear you coming, move out of the way and you [b]all[/b] get on your merry way. Best thing for that is a bell. Airhorn wil get their attention but they'll turn around wondering WTF was that, hearing "ting ting" most peopple automatically start moving out to the side. "Excuse me" from a long way off works ok but still not as good as a bell. Excuse me from right behind them startles them and you then get grief, there's nowt wrong with this startling business dunno what TJ is getting his knickers in a twist for, if you were walking in the same direction but slightly faster than the walkers in front you'd have to say something and you wouldn't do it from a long way off would you? It's caused by the walkers being in a world of their own, nowt wrong with that but they shouldn't complain (but they will) when you [i]politley[/i] intrude on it. But I'd recommend against it coz listening to grief from walkers about a bell is not as good as riding.