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OK. After catching up with this thread (and the companion piece on Mumsnet) we're reopening this discussion. If nothing else, it's a highly complex topic which merits discussion and shoving it under the carpet just displaces it until next time.
But.
I'll remind you that we are discussing actual real people here. There are trans people who are members of the forum and whilst it's been mostly civil there have been a number of posts in the last couple of pages which could be hurtful / offensive.
I refer readers to the forum T&Cs, specifically "No posts which, in the Moderators opinion, are likely to cause offence to either an individual, or group, whatever their gender, sexual inclination or ethnicity." Ie, you don't get to decide what is or isn't offensive, we do, and you don't get to victim-blame them for being hurt either.
Regardless of their opinions on this matter, anyone who cannot show a modicum of respect in their posts will be feeling the heavy end of the hammer for a few weeks.
Crack on, play nicely.
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Good, the lawnets posts in particular have been some of the most informative that I've ever read on here. Just keep it nice boys and girls.
Thanks Cougar. As you say, civilized discussion is necessary, especially as the OP is very much On Topic for a cycling forum. One thing's for sure - this issue isn't about to disappear.
I think I've made my viewpoint clear enough without attempting to/wishing to disrespect anyone.
Well I am sure I have offended a few, but as someone said:
the fact that you find something offensive is worse than meaningless; it’s an attempt to control others based entirely on your feelings.
I guess Cougar that's what you mean by victim blaming.
However live by the sword, die by the sword, so I fully expect the banhammer, its your forum, I can't argue with that.
Thank you squirrelking
live by the sword, die by the sword, so I fully expect the banhammer, its your forum, I can’t argue with that.
FWIW, you're not "special". A couple of others have already been bullied off/banned for having similar views.
Apologies for my uncalled for comment (now deleted).
Just frustrated to see a really positive discussion dragged down by some contributors.
And of course I wasn't helping that by being rude.
Thanks mods. This is a pretty good discussion on a contentious subject.
Sex classification may be binary but biology as it relates to the human mind is not. Societal norms and how they interact with the human mind are not binary
Ive read this half a dozen times, but I cannot make sense of it. Could you try again please BruceWee?
This weeks South Park (series 23, episode 7) touched on the trans female athlete debate, I'm not sure if depicting the trans athelte as Macho Man Randy Savage was the best choice but it got a laugh out of me. available on Comedy Central and Amazon Prime for those interested.