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I saw that, what offset is it?
29ers are 42mm, 27.5” are 46mm. They use the C2 spring apparently - I can’t remember if that’s the latest and greatest?
Deal is also on Wiggle for those with Wiggle+ and/or loyalty points
Don't think it specifys the offet
Fork offset: 37mm (27.5"), 42mm (29"), 46mm (27.5"), 51mm (29"
It could be 42 or 51
Is that right?
Nope, check the questions on CRC they’ve specified the offsets there but not updated the description
Great thanks, tempted.
What's the C2 airsprng?
Can’t work that part out! EDIT: 2020 should be the old B1 spring, can’t find anything relating to C2 (other than RC2 for the 2021 model)
I’m doing some hefty mental gymnastics with this one as I need a fork for a bit of an experiment. Current plan is to use a second hand Yari + Smashpot (already have) + either a Charger 2 (already have) or a Splug or Up damper. But this is very tempting instead (need 160mm so the spring is coming out anyway)….. aarrggghh
Yes I think it's just the older airspring. Cheap upgrade if needed.
I have a 2021 pike ultimate at the moment but kinda wishing I bought a lyrik instead. I'm debating on buying this and selling my pike. But is it worth the hassle?
I bought a set of these late last year of CRC for my 29er. Very nice indeed and I had £100 voucher to use (from an earlier CRC cock up) so was a no brainer.
They’re a massive improvement from the old non-boost 2017 Pikes I had on the bike before. Get them whilst you can as I suspect they’ll go quick.
Is a ‘charger damper’ the same length for every travel fork? Ie: one size fits all lyrik/Yari forks?
very tempting. especially with a £100 xmas voucher burning a hole in my pocket!
they appear to come with the current debonair spring, but they come with the old Charger 2.1 Damper, not the latest RC2 one - which would be a £350 upgrade...
very tempting. especially with a £100 xmas voucher burning a hole in my pocket!
they appear to come with the current debonair spring, but they come with the old Charger 2.1 Damper, not the latest RC2 one – which would be a £350 upgrade…
Hasn't the damper been the same since the introduction of the Ultimates? I thought the only difference from then to now was the air spring.
ETA - Charger 2.1 is the RC2. So it's the most modern/bestest damper.
Charger 2.1 RC2 is the latest isn't it?
God dammit.
I guess that's me committed to the AM9 I've been toying with then. Got a set of these for my hardtail build a few months back when they were £90 more but with blue stickers.
Excellent PSA - thanks!
Ultimates will 2.1 rc2, a lot of people prefer the b spring but who knows what's in there b or c, these will be oem so you never know with crc/wiggle, I bought some so called 2019 forks but they turned out to be 2018 with crapper debonair and some old 26" lyriks that should have had lockout came in the dh version.
Well a pal of mine has just bought a set and I'm going to change the air spring for her, so I'll report back!
Mine arrived today.
Trailforks shows a C2 airspring and charger 2.1 RC damper. It came with 2 tokens in the box.
Can you change the travel on these? Most R/S it’s a c£40 air shaft. One of these?
Yes and yes. You'll also need some slickoleum or similar, a tiny bit of fluid for the lowers and a pair of c-clip pliers.
And to actually find somewhere with the C1 spring in stock - that’s the hardest part
You don't want the latest spring anyway. Older debonair one is better
poah
Free MemberYou don’t want the latest spring anyway. Older debonair one is better
That's interesting, I thought the older one (B1) had gone too far and was generally agreed to sit too far into the travel and the latest (C1) version corrected that?
well i took a punt. £390 was too good to miss. (i had a £100 voucher and they knocked an extra tenner off at checkout?) gutted i cant find a 160 spring tho. Does the £135 rule still apply when buying from Germany? will take em apart when they land and see whats what. can maybe just replace the seal head (or go luftcappe?) but maintain the 150mm travel for now...
That’s interesting, I thought the older one (B1) had gone too far and was generally agreed to sit too far into the travel and the latest (C1) version corrected that?
Depends on who you talk to. Some like the slightly more supple off the top of the older one, some prefer the higher ride of the new. Not sure one is objectively better than the other.
Not sure one is objectively better than the other.
Surely its pick a favourite and be a dick about it?!
Yeah I did some reminding myself after the last post. Quite happy that I wouldn't like the B1 spring, I a fan of forks that stay higher in their travel
Honestly, I don't think the difference between them is quite as big as it's made out to be.
Some like the slightly more supple off the top of the older one, some prefer the higher ride of the new.
Yep, I prefer the higher ride of the new one.
It might be a bit more dependent on regular lowers servicing to keep in top shape though.
Poah is just regurgitating other people's internet postings.
I prefer the ride height of the newer spring, Somewhere in the back of the garage I have the old 160mm air shafts for the 29 as we went to 170mm ones on Abigale's couple of pairs. If anyone knows what I should be looking for I can dig then out.
Tracey, when you say “old” do you mean old B1s or C1s that you’re just not using now? If the latter I’d be happy to buy one off you
I have no idea on B or C unless some one cant tell me what I'm looking for. I'm sure all our forks, Rockshox or Fox are running the latest springs but have a multitude of others, all 29 but of various lengths, that have been swapped out. Pike, Lyrik and 36s
Somewhere in the back of the garage I have the old 160mm air shafts for the 29
I would gladly take one off your hands..!? a few places have 180 springs in stock, i could just swap the shaft...
the MBR article for the 2021 fork suggests that was the first year with the new Debonair (RS have added a 10mm taller seal head and a longer foot nut to the bottom of the air shaft to make up for the short fall in its overall length. And the best part is, if you have a current fork, you only need the new foot nut and seal head, not the complete DebonAir spring assembly, to bring your fork bang up to date. And to make it even easier, RockShox will make both available as a spare parts kit.)
So you can either get the upgraded spring if you're doing a travel change (in theory, or just the parts you need if staying the same)
I don't understand @breninbeener comment above - 'Trailforks shows a C2 airspring"
What's trail forks in this context?
He means Rock Shocks Trailhead App.
so CRC have the mislabelled as 2020 and they're maybe 2020 production to 2021 spec. Cool.
Looking through the other stuff the Jawbreakers with 2 lenses for £139 is a great deal (though I really don't like the Prizm Road lens off-road at all)
Blimey that was quick.
Mine have just arrived and on appearance indeed identical bar the different colour stickers to the blue-stickered ones I got in Autumn.
B1:
C1:
Ok I will have a look over the weekend
so the the CRC specials do have the C1 spring??
C1 appeared in 2020 but was in forks labelled as 2021 model, b1 appeared in 2019 forks, 2018 forks had the original debonair without the red seal head and foot nut. These will have the b1 if the description is right.
At that price they are worth it and put in whatever airshaft you are comfortable with. If we didn't already have a spare set then they would have been in my basket.
I wish this had been a couple of months ago - my LBS ordered in a 160mm pair of these for my forthcoming 29" hardtail build. Still quite tempted to get a pair as a spare!
Thanks for the PSA.. mine are arriving imminently!
Any recommendations on mudguards? I've been using Mudhuggers on my 2018/19 Pikes but they lack clearance with 2.5" tyres (to the point I had to butcher them a bit). I'm considering the RRP Proguard Max.. anyone running them on the Lyrik?
I’m considering the RRP Proguard Max.. anyone running them on the Lyrik?
Mrsstu has that mudguard and a DHF2.6. Works fine.