[Closed] PROTEST TONIGHT 6PM BOW ROUNDABOUT

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Used to ride/work round there - extremely dangerous roundabout, RIP to all those killed. If ever there was justification for separated bike lanes it's here.

Good grief. Someones died, let them rest respectively and their families grieve rather than using their last place in this world to incite a protest.

Have a think about how to do this and do it in a few weeks time when a mourning period has passed.

RI[b]P[/b].

Have a think about how to do this and do it in a few weeks time when a mourning period has passed.

When everyone's conveniently forgotten about it? Far from being 'disrespectful' as you seem to suggest, it's actually an attempt to not let yet another cyclist die in vain.

Somewhat off my normal commute, but will try to get along to support. Too many deaths at this one spot alone, well overdue for something to be done about it.

Thanks for the heads up, Bez,

I'd just like to go on the record as saying if I'm ever killed on the road through the fault of rotten highway engineering, rotten driver training or rotten law enforcement, then if no-one protests to try to prevent the same happening to others then I shall come back and haunt the lot of you. And if my family were to look back on a lack of protest and say "I'm glad no-one made a fuss for others' benefit" I'll be back to haunt them as well.

I'm struggling to think of a family of one of the victims who haven't supported activism for protected cycling infrastructure. Debbie Dorling, for instance, was at the last Space For Cycling ride giving her support.

Well said Bez. Action, not apathy, is what's needed. Better to go and make your protest publicly felt, than sit around anonymously moaning about thing in the internet.

It's absolutely the right time.. The roads are becoming a bit of a war zone at the moment if the number of cycling deaths is anything to go by..

A polite shuffling about of disgruntled prats on bikes next month will be as shallow and ineffective as a ****ing sit down protest picnic in the park..
A line can be drawn here and this will be a powerful gesture, especially if people of kryton's mindset can get involved.. Enough is enough

A polite shuffling about of disgruntled prats on bikes next month will be as shallow and ineffective as a [s]**** sit down protest picnic in the park..[/s] Critical Mass ride

I would be honoured if five cyclists turned out to protest about my untimely death on the road, let alone hundreds.

I live just down the road,an never use that roundabout,I use the flyover,so many cyclist killed in last two weeks weird !

Hundreds? There were about 5000 of us last time. I hope they get good numbers tonight.

I'll be there, just up the road from me...

Bez - Member

Hundreds? There were about 5000 of us last time.

Ok. 😕

I'd just like to go on the record as saying if I'm ever killed on the road through the fault of rotten highway engineering, rotten driver training or rotten law enforcement, then if no-one protests to try to prevent the same happening to others then I shall come back and haunt the lot of you. And if my family were to look back on a lack of protest and say "I'm glad no-one made a fuss for others' benefit" I'll be back to haunt them as well.

So very well said Bez, if only i lived closer i would be there.

CRITICAL MASS TYPE RIDE IS WHATS REQUIRED,AS SOMEBODY SAID ABOVE.LOTS OF MEDIA ATTENTION AND HOPEFULLY DELAYS FOR ROAD USERS,TO SHOW THEM WE HAVE SOLIDARITY AGAINST THE NEEDLESS DEATHS ABD INJURUIES MOTORISTS CAUSE, ALONG WITH CRAP ROAD DESIGNS.

If this happens to me, please feel free to be ****ing furious and to protest en-masse. Thanks

Have a think about how to do this and do it in a few weeks time when a mourning period has passed.

If you leave too long, someone else will have been killed and you'll have to start the mourning period again.

I'm very much on the side of being vocal about this. I think Critical Mass is counterproductive, in no small part because it's not a protest about anything specific (or at least that's how it's regarded externally) and just seen as the usual stereotypes trying to annoy other road users.

A big ride for this would get media attention and would have a very specific target which people could understand. We are getting closer to critical mass (ironically given my comments above) where many if not most people now know someone that cycles be it for commuting or leisure.

Oh, and this -> http://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/2013/09/26/nazan-fennell-me-you-and-everyones-future/

If I was in the area I'd go to this.

Hope it goes well.

[quote=clubber ]I'm very much on the side of being vocal about this. I think Critical Mass is counterproductive, in no small part because it's not a protest about anything specific (or at least that's how it's regarded externally) and just seen as the usual stereotypes trying to annoy other road users.
A big ride for this would get media attention and would have a very specific target which people could understand. We are getting closer to critical mass (ironically given my comments above) where many if not most people now know someone that cycles be it for commuting or leisure.
All of that.

Just about to head over to Bow. Come along if you can make it; more numbers means a greater voice. I'll be on a silver/blue Trek 7300 ss ratbike with carbon fork if anyone wants to say hi/chat.

Can we have a report from anyone who manages to get there please?

Unfortunately I'm bikeless tonight. Would love to see some real change in cycle planning in London Borris be bold make London a motor vehicle free city

The real benefit would be in lives saved from pollution

FWIW, I didn't say don't do it - I'd join in also. Just not within a few hours of that poor young ladies death.

Cycling issues won't go away in a few days, nor will they be fixed in a few days either.

But there you go, that's just my opinion.

Has everyone joined CTC and written to their MP? More numbers means a greater voice.

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Seeing that picture has put a lump in my throat _ RIP to all who have fallen.

Just heard you all on LBC radio, good to here the media being positive....

Used to live there for many years
Became worse for riding around/on/off the round a bout after they put in the raised curbs.
If the vehicles get to close you cannot escape and simply have no where to go.

Would be best if the bikes go onto the paved areas outside of the round a bout
rather than use the actual roads.

On another note make these larger aggregate type lorries exempt for driving certain times
Like they used to do many years back.

I'd just like to go on the record as saying if I'm ever killed on the road through the fault of rotten highway engineering, rotten driver training or rotten law enforcement, then if no-one protests to try to prevent the same happening to others then I shall come back and haunt the lot of you.

That has always been my sentiment - word for word, great stuff. I was driving down the A12 at 9:15 this morning and saw all the queues and wondered if it was another dead cyclist. its quite unbelievable why Boris has not dealt with this junction - its just a load of concrete - not some Listed or historic space that no-one wants re-arranged. I like Boris but don't understand this.

Having no idea what this was about, I just watched the following Youtube clip

Seems like [b]all[/b] categories of road users are just ignoring the signals?

Look carefully Colin - lights on left are for cycles. Lights on right (and hidden behind bikes ones) are for vehicles.

Borris ditched ken's cycle superhighway plan that would've meant a genuine segregated cycle network instead he had some bits of road painted blue. He then claimed kens bike scheme as his own and handed Barclay's the most amazing advertising deal London's ever seen

He has closed down pollution monitoring stations and covered up smog alerts as well as axed the western congestion extension and ditched the supper polluting car tax ken also proposed

His rep as a champion of cycling is based on his canny PR stunts rather than his actions

[quote=matt_outandabout ]Look carefully Colin - lights on left are for cycles. Lights on right (and hidden behind bikes ones) are for vehicles.
There's one cyclist on the pavement early on and another goes through the "cyclists" red light later on. Of course, you've then got cars and vans trying to "beat" the lights too and filling up the ASL 🙄

wish I'd known about this before I got home, I would have definitely gone.
I wonder how many deaths caused by tipper trucks and similarly sized lorries would not have happened if those large HGVs were banned from being on city roads during peak commuting hours.

Ah yes, the ASL, just more room to sneak further up as 10' means you get to the office earlier...

"There's one cyclist on the pavement early on"

That seems very much like the wisest way to deal with the deadliest piece of cycling infrastructure in the country.

Any coverage from last night?

Awful news - sympathies to all the families involved. And well done to those on the vigil.

Not being a city boy, I'm glAd I haven't come across that system at Bow. Hows it meant to work? If a cyclist has a green light does he/she still have to stop just a few meters up the road at the roundabout entrance proper? Or can they just go onto the roundabout safely?

Whitechapel last night:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24936942 ]And so it goes on[/url]

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I've ridden road bikes for 25 years and have never crashed and or had any real altercation with a car past a mutual '**** off'. Why are all these people getting squished? Is it the popularity of cycling just putting more people on the road for the texting drivers to hit or is it that the new post Olympic cycling converts are inexperienced?

The views from the bus driver make interesting reading further down that report. He acknowledges that in 12t of bus it doesnt matter what speed you hit some one their going not going to come out of it well.
There is also an earlier stat that london buses kill or seriously injure 1.03 people a day over the last 5 years. The bus companies say they cant find the figures but a foi request managed to get them!
It really is getting awful on the roads as the light has changed people seem in more of a rush and give you even less space on the roads. Not just in london. The worst drivers i encounter are in watford. 3 times i had to take manuovers last night. Or is this recent spate of deaths just making me ride more defensively?
BTW i'm not saying it was the bus drivers fault on the last one.

I've ridden road bikes for 25 years and have never crashed and or had any real altercation with a car past a mutual '**** off'. Why are all these people getting squished? Is it the popularity of cycling just putting more people on the road for the texting drivers to hit or is it that the new post Olympic cycling converts are inexperienced?

a friend has been hit 4 times, and bikes been written off 3 times, he had been cycling 30 odd years