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RaceCo will chop that in on a new Eeb

Interesting. Didn't realise shops did this still.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 5:28 pm
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Just to add, they are less agile than a regular bike, so a bit harder to hop etc,

this is incorrect.
My 25kg whyte e180 is way better at jumping than my 14kg yeti sb6c.

The whyte is actually the best bike I have ever riden, disregarding the benefit of the motor it is alot more fun to ride than the yeti


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 5:34 pm
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I meant to make reference to the hoping thing in my post aswell. If you can hop a normal bike you can hope an ebike. Same principle just a bit more weight to take in to account. I didn’t have any issues hoping mine or having to manual stuff. Wheelies on the other hand are hard but I could never wheelie anyway.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 5:38 pm
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You could also try Two Wheels in Stourbridge. They do Trek, Giant, Whyte, Santa Cruz and many others. They offer exceptional service and may PX.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 5:38 pm
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I’m starting to think it’s time for an ebike forum to get these sI’d ding repetitive threads out of here.

Err...
https://singletrackworld.com/charged

We don't have separate Gravel, road etc. forums. It's all bikes.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 5:43 pm
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I meant to make reference to the hoping thing in my post aswell. Same principle just a bit more weight to take in to account. I didn’t have any issues hoping mine

What is this hoping that you talk of? Hoping it doesn't break down again and need another thousand pound motor...


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 5:49 pm
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We don’t have separate Gravel, road etc. forums. It’s all bikes.

You find Gravel is catered for in the GritCX channel.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 6:02 pm
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I’m starting to think it’s time for an ebike forum to get these sI’d ding repetitive threads out of here.

You don’t have to read them you know…

There’s already a very active eBike forum, but I don’t suppose the powers that be would be too happy if all the traffic went there instead.

eMTBing is far more closely related to MTBing than all the roadie threads on here.

Indeed

This, if you don't like them then there's no need to read, comment or slag it off.

I don't like road bikes so I don't bother reading all the lycra threads on thus mtb forum.
#ebikelivesmatter


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 6:14 pm
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I have no trouble at all avoiding all the threads about road bikes, gravel bikes, heart rate monitors, strava, training, "what tyres for", bikepacking, chamois cream, bib tights, beard maintenance etc, etc...

I'm sure you can dodge the ones about mountain bikes which are a bit easier to pedal up hills.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 6:29 pm
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Just decided to go out for a quick ride before it went dark around macc forest and its surrounds.

Stated at leathers smithy, up throught the forest, down charity Lane, up the road towards the cat and fiddle pub, over the hill down stakeside to errwood reservoir in the goyt valley, back out of the goyt valley up to the cat and fiddle, across dane bower hollow, down Cumberland Brook and clough, back up to macc forest, through the forest and back to the car, 17 miles, 3000 feet of ascent, took 1 hour 25 mins on the e bike. Would have taken me 3 hours plus on the normal bike and killed me.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 6:44 pm
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OP, have you really only put 50 miles on the Hightower?!


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 7:35 pm
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OP, have you really only put 50 miles on the Hightower?!

Yes 😟


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 7:44 pm
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@thegeneralist.. sorry I meant hopping. I’m usually a stickler for spelling properly on here. In my defence I had a 3 year old to contend with whilst posting that reply.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:20 pm
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Sorry, was just joshing1981

OP. Why did you bother buying it if you've only done 50 miles on it. How do you know you don't like it if you've barely used it?

I'm getting vague flashbacks about the username. Do you have previous in this area?😄


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:37 pm
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Ooooo careful we may end up getting into a debate about whether you're a RaceCo customer or a 2wheels customer!


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:37 pm
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Found four NewBikeDay posts. 🤔

Having said which, I'm fully in a glasshouse here. I keep buying in appropriate bikes that I then regret buying. But I don't do the sensible thing and flog them. Hmmmm

OP. I think the perfect bike for you isn't an e-bike, it's a Giant Anthem 29 Advanced, in green. It's exactly what you need.
Either that or a Specialized Enduro Élite, also in green. Really good bike, perfect for your needs.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:48 pm
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@Golfchick which hardtail did you go for in the end ?

OP. Why did you bother buying it if you’ve only done 50 miles on it. How do you know you don’t like it if you’ve barely used it?

I’m getting vague flashbacks about the username. Do you have previous in this area?😄

Don't know where you have heard that 🤣

Also, don't get me wrong I'm more than happy with the Hightower, it's an amazing bike, climbs well and descends phenomenally.

I've just realised that maybe an ebike would be a better proposition for me and my circumstances.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:49 pm
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Is it possible you enjoy buying bikes more than riding them?


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:50 pm
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@renton I've ordered my new frame last week n hoping it turns up this week. Just need to scour for parts now which are few and far between!


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:53 pm
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I’m starting to think it’s time for an ebike forum to get these sI’d ding repetitive threads out of here.

I agree. Should be another forum.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:56 pm
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@renton I’ve ordered my new frame last week n hoping it turns up this week. Just need to scour for parts now which are few and far between

What have you gone for ?


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:56 pm
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As said up there ^^ huge lead time from both big S's on some stuff, spoke to a rep a couple of weeks back who reckoned some Shimano stuff you're looking at sept 21 for availability.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:57 pm
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Yes 😟

It doesn't matter what you buy.
The problem isn't the bike. It's you.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 8:59 pm
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I agree. Should be another forum.

Or a purist forum, keep all the bawbags in one place.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 9:00 pm
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It doesn’t matter what you buy.
The problem isn’t the bike. It’s you.

Cheers, no one is disputing that. Especially me 👍


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 9:01 pm
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Cheers, no one is disputing that. Especially me

Don't be harsh in yourself. There's not always simple answers.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 9:13 pm
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It's all bikes innit, no need for a sep forum. Same trails, kit, parts, tyres etc conundrums to be discussed.

OP I hope you find your answer. I think an E would suit you well I'm just a bit bemused it's taken you so long tbh.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 9:13 pm
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You need to employ Weeksy as your personal shopper.

He's on a roll at the moment.😄


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 9:15 pm
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Some of the comments on here are weird (this and other threads), ebikes are one of the biggest things to happen in the last generation of mountain biking, like it or not, that's the way it is, they provide assistance to those who want more out of biking, i can't get my head round those who complain about this, as if you need to devote your life to being able to pursue tour level fitness instead of 'cheating'.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 10:22 pm
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Agreed.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 10:28 pm
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...they provide assistance to those who want more out of biking

A bicycle is a human-powered machine. Ebikes have an engine.
It's fundamentally different. Nothing wrong with it but it's not the same.
Should have a separate forum for it.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 10:33 pm
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like it or not, that’s the way it is, they provide assistance to those who want to put less into biking, i can’t get my head round those who complain about this,

FTFY

Sorry, I don't mean it. It's just you set it up and it was so hard to resist.

Soz


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 10:34 pm
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Yep, I have 2 ebikes and 3 non ebikes. They all have their places and minimal overlap. It all bikes and all riding.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 10:35 pm
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I think the forum has moved a long way to accepting them from a couple of years ago, even 12 months ago

It seemed then that every topic on them got a slating for even owning up to having got one.

Like everything eventually the moaning will stop and we can all have fun riding what ever bike we like.


 
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Some of the comments on here are weird (this and other threads), ebikes are one of the biggest things to happen in the last generation of mountain biking, like it or not, that’s the way it is, they provide assistance to those who want more out of biking, i can’t get my head round those who complain about this, as if you need to devote your life to being able to pursue tour level fitness instead of ‘cheating’.

Whilst I've not liked any ebike I've tried, that is 100% the correct answer.

Nothing at all wrong with them or the people who own them


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 11:07 pm
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“A bicycle is a human-powered machine. Ebikes have an engine.
It’s fundamentally different. Nothing wrong with it but it’s not the same.”

Gravity powers you downhill. And if you’re using an uplift then you’re not putting the potential energy in. What do you do when you’ve got a big tailwind - get off so you don’t have to hand in your 100% self-powered card?

Road biking is not like MTBing. Show a member of the public a roadbike, an eMTB and a MTB and ask then which two are most alike and what do you think they’ll answer? Take all three on the trails and which two feel most similar? Turn the power off on an eMTB and what does it feel like? Pedal it past the 15.5mph cut-off and what does it feel like?

I don’t pedal any less hard when on my Levo than my hardtail, often harder. It just goes faster when the power is on or slower uphill when the power is off.

In case you hadn’t noticed, you can pedal any bike as hard or soft as you like. The ebike just means you can choose to pedal softer and you still go reasonably far and fast. I prefer riding it hard.

And frankly, **** boring skinny tyres bikes sharing the road with homicidal ****wits driving cars and trucks. How can that be a fun hobby?!! I’ll tolerate commuting but I do that on the Levo too because it’s safer and quicker.


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 11:32 pm
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A bicycle is a human-powered machine. Ebikes have an engine.
It’s fundamentally different


 
Posted : 25/10/2020 11:49 pm
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We don’t have separate Gravel, road etc. forums. It’s all bikes.

You find Gravel is catered for in the GritCX channel.

That was kinda my point. There's a STW channel for eMTBs. With a 'forum' link at the top that brings you here so what's the problem?

Don't agree with having separate sections for each discipline. That's what I like about this forum, other than the bikes/chat split it's all in one place.


 
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Don't take this the wrong way Renton, but given your history, you might want to give some thought to resale value. So something with a transferable warranty (if such things exist) should be high on the list. You've also got to factor in the fact that you might be buying at the peak of the bubble and looking to sell just when it bursts.


 
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It’s fundamentally different. Nothing wrong with it but it’s not the same.

That would depend on whether you think cycling is about just pedalling, or about riding.


 
Posted : 26/10/2020 10:37 am
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Seems like a good idea for you Renton.

Not tried an ebike myself, but friends tell me it's similar but different to normal MTBing - with some negatives around how they handle.

So maybe give it a try before splashing the cash?


 
Posted : 26/10/2020 10:45 am
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Why not just hire a bike when you need it?
Surely that makes sense.

Or if it's the thrill of the purchase that you live ke then buy a bike for someone else ( a la Weeksy) then you get to spend wads of cash and someone else gets a new bike to do loads of riding on.

Then a couple of months later when you get the burning urge to buy a new bike then just find someone else who does loads o riding and buy them one...

Everyone's happy. 😜


 
Posted : 26/10/2020 10:52 am
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“That would depend on whether you think cycling is about just pedalling, or about riding.”

I see what you’re getting at but ebiking is about pedalling too. You can go faster up the same hills, or up near impossible hills. Or you can pedal softer - because you’re unfit, or tired, or in more of an uplifty mood or whatever.

One of our local spots is very much push up, ride down, short laps. It’s so steep that the only people likely to ride laps are XC racers looking to combine brutal hill training with some steep descents and I’ve never seen that happening there. So you ride down, push back up and each lap takes 20-30 minutes depending on how unpleasant a push you want.

On my ebike I pedal up. More pedalling, not less.


 
Posted : 26/10/2020 11:15 am
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I see what you’re getting at but ebiking is about pedalling too.

I was getting at the 'fundamentally different' comment/aspect. It's a different experience when pedalling with assistance yes but as a riding experience overall I don't buy into it being fundamentally different.


 
Posted : 26/10/2020 11:27 am
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Ebikes are great if you don't want to spend 90-95% of your ride time climbing.
Going up you can work just as hard but get there twice as fast. If I'm riding with normal bikes I can take it easy and ride up with them, or blast off and get an extra descent in and meet them back at the top.
Downhill is still as fun as the normal bike, it's not as playful on some trails, but on others the extra weight makes it feel really composed similar to a DH bike.
I'm still ruined at the end of a big ride, but not so much in the legs. I'm getting blisters on my thumbs that I'd normally only get after full days uplifting in the alps.


 
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