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Rorschach - MemberYou get what you pay for.......several months after the agreed delivery date usually
I think that's with a lot of custom builders though.
They are a small outfit and because habdbuilding takes one there are delays at peak times.
That said, Mrs K got excellent service from Enigma when she bought my ego Ti for my 40th. Mark called her to discuss sizing, and kept her updated constantly.
I'd pay £1500 for that frame, it astounds me that folk pay thousands of £ for a carbon framed road/mtb but will baulk at the price of a custom steel frame, perhaps if folk realised how cheap and simple it is to make a top of the line carbon frameset they'd change their mind, by cheap and simple i allude to companies in the far east that specialise in producing frames for the major manufacturers - The tyres on my mtb cost more that what it costs some manufacturers to produce their top-end carbon frames.
To quote an old saying, but still one of the best : Steel is real.....man!.
Pretty bike. Chainstays are a bit long for my tastes. Price is fair for the work, materials and custom sizing and paint.
I've not looked at the alloy percentages but wasn't Reynolds 531 a Manganese Moly steel (with 753 the heat treated version)? UTS of the Columbus stuff is pretty similar to 753 but looks like you can braze it rather than silver solder.
Columbus chief engineer was a nice guy and turned out to be a friend of a friend in Italy - spoke to him at Bespoked show.
Making your own frames isn't cheap. For some moderate tubes I'm coming in at about £100 (cro-moly and couple of Zona tubes). Much more for 853 or other such fancy stuff. Even at hobby level I still dare not add up what I've spent in total over the last couple of years (brass, silver, fluxes, braze ons, tools, bending equipment ....)
a very nice Choco Boy bike for canal towpaths - trail centers,and gay trails.
plus make a nice road bike.
Given that Dave yates will fillet pretty anything you want for £1095 it does seem steep
Note I'm not sure how things stand + or - forks....
Dave Yates without forks Not sure about bike in this thread
People want to buy it already just because its different, expensive and exclusive.
All the bluster about the material is ridiculous. Nobody has even ridden one yet! I don't think there's likely to be a demo bike so people are going to buy this blind. It's a penis extension. A £1500, steel, may-not-even-be-any-good penis extension. To be seen on Thule bike racks fitted to audis soon.
sounds a bit bitter 😉To be seen on Thule bike racks fitted to audis soon.
I went to an enigma open day a few years back, I test rode the ego Ti and steel, very impressive bikes, the filet brazed is very pretty, they're very passionate about what they create which is a premium hand crafted product, I'd like a ego Ti 29er if t hey did one, and if I had he money.
Btw - rich rothwell endurance mtb-er is sponsored by enigma, google him and ask how by ride.
People want to buy it already just because its different, expensive and exclusive.
It's not exclusive. Anyone who can afford it can have one (and that's covered in 'expensive'). No one is excluded.
So criticising because it's 'exclusive' is bogus.
Nice craftsmanship but totally outdated. Buy with confidence.
Totally outdated? This bike is quite old news.
sounds a bit bitter
Sorry. I've been cut up by even more Audi driving tosspots than usual today. Honourable mention goes to the scumbag in the 5 series at hambrook lights.
Molgrips ^ doesn't get it the same way I don't get 4k plastic bikes.
I don't get it, no. To me, a functional item has to perform, or DO stuff. The better it performs, the more it's worth to me.
That's why I don't get flashy watches. They tell the time same as cheap ones.
At least flashy cars are better in some tangible way - faster, more comfy, more refined, whatever.
That bike is a little prettier than some, but let's face it no bike is really a thing of beauty is it? A Renoir is a thing of beauty, or Zooey Deschanel.
did he really say that? 😯but let's face it no bike is really a thing of beauty is it?
molgrips - MemberThat bike is a little prettier than some, but let's face it no bike is really a thing of beauty is it?
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I've owned a handbuilt custom fillet braked frame, it cost £400 in 1987 and no it was no better than the frame on my Boardman I bought a couple of years ago. Would I buy another if I had the money - tomorrow.
That's why I don't get flashy watches. They tell the time same as cheap ones.
There's quality and workmanship, then there's ridiculous and blatent overpricing on a brand name. Enigma aren't into the latter yet (of course all companies need to make profit)
Buy that and you are mostly buying the former. Handbuilt, in Eastbourne by a man with tools who loves bikes.
LOL @ Rusty Spanner 😆
Quality and workmanship are pointless unless there's an actual benefit to it imo. Waste of time and effort.
molgrips - Member
Quality and workmanship are pointless unless there's an actual benefit to it imo. Waste of time and effort.
POSTED 29 SECONDS AGO # REPORT-POST]Your entitled to your opinion. I feel the same way about paintings, some off them look sh1t IMO but still some people spend thousands on 'em and I don't see the point.
Doesn't look very "chuckable"
Rorschach - Member
You get what you pay for.......several months after the agreed delivery date usuallyPOSTED 2 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
Ah, I see you've dealt with Enigma before...
(I never actually got what I'd ordered though)
Your entitled to your opinion. I feel the same way about paintings, some off them look sh1t IMO but still some people spend thousands on 'em and I don't see the point.
Aye. But paintings are all about looking good or intriguing you visually. Some do that, some don't.
A bike though is all about being ridden - some ride well, some don't. It doesn't really matter how much care and craftsmanship went into it, as long as it rides well and is durable, in the same way that it doesn't matter how well a painting rides.
Quality for quality's sake just seems empty to me... but there you go 🙂
Looks do matter, how something looks is part of how it is.
molgrips - MemberQuality and workmanship are pointless unless there's an actual benefit to it imo. Waste of time and effort.
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What about this?
A beautiful bicycle is just as valid a piece of art as The Angel.
A bike though is all about being ridden
Really?
It's so many other things to millions of people:
A symbol of freedom and emancipation, a means of expression, an escape from drudgery, pain and loss, a symbol of industrian pride, an heirloom, an investment, the result of a lifelong ambition......you get the picture.
A symbol of freedom, a means of expression, an escape from drudgery, pain and loss, pride in manufacture, an heirloom, an investment, the result of a lifelong ambition......you get the picture.
Christ, no wonder some people ride so slowly if they're thinking about all that.
TBH, when I'm riding, I'm mostly thinking about food or sex. 🙂
Actually, you could remove 'when I'm riding' from that and it'd still be true. 😀
I don't get it. Nice details but the forks and paint job are fugly.
I don't think any [i]mountain[/i] bikes are that pretty. Road bikes definitely can be.
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sells these frames in JD in Ilkley - can replace any of the main tubes with carbon depending on how stiff / flex you like.
I dooooooo like the extended seat tube look
FWIW I can look at these frames (and OP's) for ever - makes it art...........no??
FWIW I can look at these frames (and OP's) for ever - makes it art...........no??
Yep. If you think it's art, it's art.
Wonderful isn't it? 😀
Oooooh... and after you're done you can break it up and make a dragster:
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To be fair, it does look like a 1992 Marin as imagined by someone on bad acid, but 'eye of the beholder' etc.... 🙂