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Or those attacks were as hard as they looked.
Probably something to do with the expired caffeinated drink tablet too. HR was 150bpm in the start pen doing 100w
Wed could be good for me - I like the crit format too.
We done JimBob! I shouldn't have let you get the gap - thought you'd blow and I'd real you back in, but you kept on going. Could see Robo sitting on my wheel waiting to pounce as I worked on the gap, so happy to get the sprint.
Cheers guys - that was good fun
I wasnt waiting to pounce djflexure - I was trying to hang on!
I have put London Classique on the calendar for next Wednesday. 3 laps so a little longer.
https://www.zwift.com/events/view/2512059
I wasnt waiting to pounce djflexure – I was trying to hang on!
I had flashbacks to last night 😉
haha I was pretty surprised to drop you on the climb last night! Was expecting you to fly off!
I'd had a bit more than half a bottle of red while putting the Christmas tree up early evening. Wasn't expecting to race and then all of a sudden it seemed like a great idea. Surprised I got to the hill never mind up it. Not all bad though as my mindless 'pissed up' attacks gave me a big FTP gain. Well done for last night - you were on a mission!
That was a good lunchtime break - thanks all, back to work now
Hi Robbo,
If you still have space can you add me.
Ta. PeesBee
I just opened the companion app to see you'd all been racing without me so had to come on here and have a look what it was all about 😀
Sign me up, although wednesday lunchtimes after tuesday nights is gonna hurt!
I’ve got a quick Zwift question for those of you in the know.
I’ve got a Kickr Core and a set of the new Garmin power pedals on the other bike. Should I stick the Garmin pedals on the turbo bike to control the turbo rather than having the Kickr control itself?
No, the pedals don't/can't control the kickr. The game controls the turbo. The pedals can be used as a way of measuring the power your producing but it is recommended to use the turbo, especially when it's a decent turbo. Pedals are a good way of secondary recording if that's your thing.
On the other hand I’d suggest using the pedals to record power both indoor and outdoor. That way you get consistent numbers to train with.
I use my Assioma Duo’s on my Wattbike atom. Zwift takes the power reading from my pedals but controls resistance via the Wattbike. I can’t see a downside to that.
r8jimbob88 makes a valid point about having a consistent measurement for training in and outside. I should clarify that my view is based on the more serious* end of the indoor race world where it is expected that the turbo is used as the primary source. You are in they lucky position that both the devices you have are considered accurate.
* as in the rules that are applied to the higher level events.
I use a Kickr Core and have 4iiii left sided crank PM. I tend to use the Kickr for Zwift power output recording. I occasionally check the crank power v Kickr by saving the ride file from the Precision 4iii app and the fit file from zwift to compare the 2 power levels. There's a good function in zwiftpower for this. Normally its within about 1-2%. So it might be worth comparing the Garmin pedals now and then but I don't see a reason to use them for zwift all the time.
Ah that makes sense for the national events etc nixie. In the ideal world everyone would be using the same device and the field would be more fair that way.
I think there’s two ways to look at it.
1) If zwift race fairness and results and are important to you then use the Kickr power reading (although you’ll likely be racing against others with wild one sided power readings etc so I don’t think the field is even or fair in most zwift events anyway).
2) If consistent training figures are important and you train indoor and outdoor then use the pedals.
I used to have a one sided stages that would read about 30w higher than my current pedals. Whilst they would clearly give me an unfair advantage in zwift the fact that I could train indoor and outdoor with one set of numbers was more important to me so I used the stages. Fortunately my Assioma’s and Wattbike are pretty closely matched now so I could use either in zwift but I’ve just got into the habit of swapping the pedals over as it only takes a moment and things are completely consistent that way.
(I used to have a kickr and 3 stages across different bikes and training was a nightmare with so much inconsistency between them. I simply use my Assioma’s on everything now. Its great that I can swap SPD pedal bodies onto them too so I can use them on the MTB as well).
@crossed It’s probably worth doing a comparison between the two and making a decision based on what is more important to you.
I've just got some of the garmin rally xc pedals too....
(Dual sided) to measure when xc racing and gravel riding...
I've a l sided pm but tbh, it's gone shonky recently, and I think it's leading to skewed training data 🤷♂️
For zwift I just use the tacx neo 2t for power/control... it's meant to be very accurate
DrP
I think the main takeaway point is if your pedals and trainer measure the same then it doesn’t really matter either way. You won’t know unless you do a side by side comparison though.
I’ve been in the Wattbike FB groups for a while and some of the inconsistencies between side by side Wattbikes is quite alarming! Wattbikes official response is that they’re calibrated to be consistent within themselves rather than accurate against one another and I think that’s a similar approach adopted by the other big manufactures but obviously not something they shout about. Explains the parc ferme conditions at the zwift champs etc as they will be calibrated to be consistent with each other.
Outdoor is where it all counts anyway 😃 indoor we’re just staring at pixels going nowhere.
I think the main takeaway point is if your pedals and trainer measure the same then it doesn’t really matter either way.
Not strictly true, though Zwift remain cagey, one reason is that the way PMs measure power is often different to trainers and are therefore more susceptible to sticky watts. I believe with certain pedals it's surprisingly easy to do it by accident so expect that's one of the reasons that the regs at the higher level require it. How much it matters elsewhere is debatable, personally I ask all the folk in our club to set trainer to primary for races like ZRL where riders can and do get reported for things like sticky watts, so it just gives me one less thing to worry about since the issues go to manager first before riders.
I’ve not heard of sticky watts before. Looks like an interesting read. I’ve had a glance through it though and it appears that it may only happen when you stop pedalling quickly.
It sounds like something you may be able to exploit for a small advantage if you’re aware of it. I’d imagine for most users though, me included, that it’s a non-issue. I start pedalling when I get on Zwift and stop when I get off it! I’m sure the people exploiting it are probably those that weigh 10kg less in zwift than the real world but that’s another can of worms.
Sudden stops is not the only way for it too occur but it is the most common exploit. Some turbos are also susceptible. A lot won't even realise it occurs (I didn't till a teammate showed me the data from it). Now I know what to look for it is quite common. The exploiters are obvious.
It would be interesting to know how much you could actually influence a race result with sticky watts. My old Kickr occasionally gave me a 2,000w boost for a few seconds which was entertaining.
I don’t think either option is perfect but they’re pretty close in the grand scheme of things as as good as we’re going to get until the technology improves.
It would be interesting to know how much you could actually influence a race result with sticky watts.
Significantly I reckon. It's surprisingly easy to do and if done right can give a good boost, if you look at the power graphs or in game footage of someone riding off with a stupid stop start cadence, you can see the benefit.
Yeah it can be significant. Enough for a realistically 4.5 wpkg A to win events stacked with decent A+ riders.
Dont forget there is a post work sprint race tonight and Sunday Hills as well! Sign up via the links below.
Friday 10th December
Friday Post-Work Sprint Race – 16:30 – 2 Laps of the Innsbruckring (this is in Zwiftpower as a race)
https://www.zwift.com/uk/events/view/2505232
Sunday 12th December
Sunday Hills – 08:00 – Triple Loops
https://www.zwift.com/uk/events/view/2505216
I’m going for the Mega Pretzel badge tomorrow if anyone wants a meetup. Starting early about 7-8am. Pace will be a steady 200w which is around 2.6w/kg for me.
Friday 10th December
Friday Post-Work Sprint Race – 16:30 – 2 Laps of the Innsbruckring (this is in Zwiftpower as a race)
How does this work, you just cruise around between the sprints ? Not done this before.
And its time through the sprint rather than first across ?
normally it's a group ride, with sprint sections...regroup...repeat
DrP
Tried the join the Sunday Hills ride again this morning but it wouldn't let me, is this an issue with the STW group or the club thing in general? I know a few others are saying similar on the Zwift forums, especially when using the companion app.
I jumped on ready to do the ride on Friday afternoon and again this morning but it was only showing one other rider so I opted for a different event.
Which rides do we think might achieve a bit more traction?
I think a bit more of a description could help with the events.
Well after a long time away from Zwift (18months), my bikes(6 months) & STW (10 months)
My head has just been in the wrong place for a long time. Lockdown, covid, etc..
Anyway enjoyed it, managed an hour. Massively unfit, feeling tired but better for picking it up again.
How far off the magic 100 people are you?
Still room if you want to join in.
I’ll have a look at improving the description. Friday nights sprint race was a race from the green light through to the flag but on a shorter course making it more full on. Like a crit but not on traditional crit courses.
Sunday Hills seems to have gone on the back burner at the moment for a lot of people. I rode this morning but had something else I wanted to do which Sunday Hills didn’t fit with. The issues with android don’t seem to be helping either. People are still riding outside whereas 12 months ago the options were a lot more limited.
Ultimately the club concept is good but if, for example, 70% of the members are on Android it isn’t going to work as they can’t easily join up.
Tuesday night there are two options - a sprint race or a climb up the alpe which I think DrP is going to lead a one hour pacing for but people can ride at whatever pace they want.
I tried on the first week to put things in at different times but the club isn’t going to have a full calendar like normal zwift events. If someone has an idea for an event let me know but it needs to be an event not just that you fancy some company (meet up can be used for that).
I could do a badge hunt series but what routes would you choose? Sunday Hills ticks of the longer routes so difficult to know which ones to go for.
@robbo - I joined because you were kind enough to invite me and because I wanted good uptake. If I'm honest, the number of rides I'll get onto will be very low and I am happy to be first against the wall when the group is full
Thanks for organising, well, everything ! (and to @savoyad too, for the TTTs - hopefully back -slowly- on those this week if my bad back sorts itself out)
If you can DM me, count me in. Not sure Tue or Sun is optimal timing for me though…
Robbo..
I'm on android, and simply can't open the clubs bit..
Is there a link to the event/s at all?
A bit like the race series links?
maybe I could join that way..
DrP
I have put you down as ride leader on the Alpe rider DrP. Links are below for the two Tuesday night rides depending on your preference. Does anyone want to lead the Sprint Tuesday's ride?
Tuesday 14th December
STW Sprint Tuesdays – Sprinters Playground
Hit the sprints hard and regroup in between.
https://www.zwift.com/uk/events/view/2505221
Tuesday 14th December
Tuesday Night Climb – Road to Sky – an alternative for those who dont want to sprint!
https://www.zwift.com/uk/events/view/2505241
I would have done the tuesday night climb. But just remembered I have my booster jab tomorrow night.
I've put myself down for the alpe but depending how the mood takes me might do the sprints instead if it's happening.
Thanks for the links Robbo... i've joined via that, and it's now showing up in the companion app...
I daren't go near the Clubs section in the app though!
DrP
Have signed up for the Tues night climb, if there's space in there club then I'll have in there please!
https://www.strava.com/athletes/24953032 or Paul Sims should work!
Not sure how it all works with the categories etc as only been riding on my own so far!
Hi
Is it too late to be added?
I’m relatively new to Zwift and very out of fitness but interested in having this as motivation to get back on it!
I'm hoping to attend the Alpe ride tomorrow evening. Looking forward to the company and the roulette wheel present at the top.
I’ll try and hold on to the Drp train, but I’m not sure I can manage under 60 mins at the mo.
Anybody else thinking they will be slower than the hour up the Alpe?
I daren’t go near the Clubs section in the app though!
Mine actually seemed to work today despite crashing companion every time previously.
and the roulette wheel present at the top.
Do you need new gloves?