[Closed] Nobs on road bikes

So you overtook someone on a bike then cut him up and now you're complaining - actually wait, forget it, I can't be bothered with this one.

not again please.............. 🙄

Maybe they weren't aware of YOUR AWESOME POWER!!!!!!! and thought they could overtake you?

Just a thought like 😉

Troll.

Why do some people on bikes not have road sense and realise that ust becaus ethey are on a bike they should not observe tehs ame rules as if they were driving?

Had a few had you ? 😉

how did i cut em up?

Given an earlier thread subject

The biscuit du jour is yo-yo, help yourself all

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lol shinsplints - typing quickly whilst watching tv

Uplink ???

one day I'm going to properly lose it BIG TIME with dickheads who overtake me in cars and then immediately turn left.

bring it - ton of metal vs cyclist who has no sense

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they should not observe tehs ame rules as if they were driving?

if you saw only two (possibly) poor moves by cyclists in 3 days and consider it worthy of discussion then i would guess that you have a higher expectation of cyclists than of the average road user - nobs a plenty

I really can't be arsed to respond to someone who can't spell the word 'Knob'.

Have some respect, if only for yourself.

I really can't be arsed to respond to someone who can't spell the word 'Knob'.

nob snob

rusty - but you have responded

It's 'Rusty'.

And there should be a full stop after 'responded'.

one day I'm going to properly lose it BIG TIME with dickheads who overtake me in cars and then immediately turn left.

I quite agree but 350 metres probably doesn't correspond to 'cutting up' (depending on speed and so on).

As everyone is picking on OP I will just add that alot of cyclists on the road (I'm think London commuters rather than hardened roadies) do ride like total idiots with no sense of their own self preservation, respect for other riders, pedestrians or motorists. Give us all a bad reputation and endanger themselves.

one day I'm going to properly lose it BIG TIME with dickheads who overtake me in cars and then immediately turn left.

This.

As a relative newcomer to riding on the road, this is the only thing that riles me from time to time.

yes and car drivers are paragons of virtue

No offence mate but its you who is in the wrong, i regularly hit 30mph on my road bike, so i would have easily kept up with any car slowing down for a junction. Suggest you start looking at yourself and your lack of awareness before you end up killing someone. Ive been hit twice by idiots like you not paying attention to the speed im doing. Not everyone rides on the road at walking pace!

Are you cousins with the dude that started the horse rant thread???????

Seriously whats wrong with people today..........

You know theres a large chance these "roadies" as you call them are mountain bikers doing some road training. As a cyclist you should give them more respect anyway.. a biker moaning about other bikers?? Come on..

It happens to me lots of times where cars pass me out only a couple of hundred yards from a red light or junction where we're both going to be stopping anyway... whats the point in passing out there, dangerous and annoying.. just be patient ffs.

From your descriptions, it sounds like you were in the wrong, so why not learn rather than calling people names.

As you say, the cyclists are the vulnerable ones, so how about looking out for fellow human beings rather than thinking your some sort of god.

one day I'm going to properly lose it BIG TIME with dickheads who overtake me in cars and then immediately turn left.

Yep bloody annoying.. take a pull on joint before you head out if needs be. Just chill.

Life is made by experience. Recently roadies are knobs.

nobs are nobs..

some of them ride bikes and/or drive cars..

Drivers can be knobs, cyclists can be knobs, life goes on! Don't dwell on it...

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Wednesday, a car driver passes me approaching a junction and immediately starts to indicate left when almost on top of the junction, turning in front of me so I have to brake.

Thursday, different driver approaching the same junction alongside me indicates and turns across me causing me to brake.

Friday - I start wearing my helmet for the daily commute.

Pricks in cars forget that they are easily tracked down by their registration plate 😈

I kick the wing mirror off now, just before I pop out by the wing. It normally forces the driver into an emergency stop, which is helpful for me to not only get round the corner, but make a quick getaway.

Thursday on the way to work i overtook a roadie about 350m back from a junction, as i approach the junction and slow down he appears at my front left wing - i am indicating left - as i start turning left.

He was in the right and you need to learn to drive with more care and less haste. He may not have seen your indicators and '350m' is not enough space if he was doing an average road pace. I say '350m' as it was probably less if he was able to 'appear' alongside you.

350m would take roadie travelling at a fairly unlikely 30mph twenty-six seconds to cover. Count that out to yourself. It's a long time, isn't it? Certainly long enough for roadie to work out what car driver is doing. Even if car driver is being a bit of an arse. Cycling down the inside of the car when it is clearly turning left is an idiotic thing to do, whether you're in the right or not. And if you claim that roadie might not know that car driver is indicating left, then you kind of defeat your own argument that the car driver is at fault.

30mph for 26 seconds, so more likely, 20mph for around 40. That's why I say 350m is more likely to be a driver's estimation rather than the reality.

If you overtake a bike and that bike is anywhere near your inside as you then turn left, you've misjudged the situation.

Undertacking a car turning left is never a good Idea. If the op was indicating and had clearly overtaken the cyclist, how is he in the wrong ?

Barring extreme occurrences, if you overtake a bike and that bike is anywhere near your inside as you then turn left, then you've both misjudged the situation.

Undertacking a car turning left is never a good Idea. If the op was indicating and had clearly overtaken the cyclist, how is he in the wrong ?

If the OP had CLEARLY overtaken the cyclist why was the cyclist near his WING??? I have a suspicion that 350m is a slight exaggeration, probably more like 50 or 100m going by the normal behaviour of drivers.

Sorry, but what i am reading suggests to me that the OP hadn't clearly overtaken the cyclist,

Speaking as an Italian "Whata behind me dont matter"

When i turned left i had stopped - this allowed said cyclist to come up side of me (rear quarter) and start to turn on my inside as i turned also. How am i in the wrong? If someone can explain where it says a bike is allowed to be on the nearside of a car at a junction then so be it, if not, wtf am i supposed to do if someone has no self preservation skills or common sense?

I have a suspicion that cyclist watched car overtake and thought "what a nob. I bet he's turning left. I'll show him. I'll catch up with him once he starts slowing down for the turn and I'll be right next to him when he wants to turn, thus teaching him a lesson about overtaking roadies before turning left."

Regardless of how nobbish drivers can be, once the car is in front, the car has overtaken. You're then just another piece of traffic behind it and should act accordingly. That doesn't involve an illegal undertaking manoeuvre, even if you are feeling slightly piqued and can squeeze into the gap.

BTW - point at which i overtook cyclist who was doing 15mph max
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=424355&y=371580&z=120&sv=424355,371580&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=629&ax=424355&ay=371580&lm=0

Both misjudged? The driver / rider changing direction from that position has responsibility of ensuring a clear path and not crossing a right of way, in the way. The bike in that situation has right of way to continue on their way. The driver has a duty of care to not to be anywhere near a bike on his inside when turning left.

Just because you've physically passed the bike by a few m doesn't mean you've made a safe overtake and can turn. If you force another road user to brake, you've made a bad move.

flying ox that is exactly what happened today - i overtook, and was parralel - he looked left and sprintel like **** when he saw a car coming in the opposite direction, what he was tying to achieve is beyond me (btw i was doing under 30mph in a built up area)

james i had overtaken him by a long way - i stopped at the junction as a car came from the right, he then shuffled down the inside when i was in the process of turning - can i make that ANY clearer??

When i turned left i had stopped - this allowed said cyclist to come up side of me (rear quarter) and start to turn on my inside as i turned also. How am i in the wrong?

You're not in that case - but you didn't say that before.. you said 'slowed down'. There's a big differenc there )

Undertaking at the front of traffic light q's is one of the top 'idiot rider' moves. How to get caught out as the light change..

jameso. I'm not saying the driver is in the right, i'm saying the rider is a complete and utter retard if he witnesses the driver driving like a cock and still proceeds down the inside of the car as it's turning left. So yes, both misjudged.

i dont like road bikes, people should be honest about why they shave their legs, they would get a lot more respect that way 🙂

Maybe you'd like to come back when you've got your story straight, was it:

as i approach the junction and slow down he appears at my front left wing

When i turned left i had stopped - this allowed said cyclist to come up side of me

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Yeah, I'm a bit confused how you overtook him 350m before a junction and then he managed to just appear by the side of you. He was either insanely fast in which case you misjudged things, or you're a bit off target about the distances and speeds involved.

I'm fully prepared to accept that there are plenty of crap cyclists out there, I see them all the time. But at the end of the day, if something goes wrong, the cyclist will die, not the person in the car. This incident will affect all involved severly including the driver of the car.

It might just be worth accepting that the car is not king, cyclists do move faster than people anticipate and if a cyclist who you thought was behind you, appears in front of you, you probably misjudged something. It's not a slapping offense, you're only human but try and learn from it. Anticipation is probably the finest skill a driver can possess. It save petrol, brake pads and of course, lives.

Sleep tight!

I think the OP has a perfectly reasonable complaint. Roadies don't want to ride on the road and abide by the rules, they want to use the roads to train on, which makes them competitive and keep pushing on. I followed a roadie on the A217 who jumped a series of about six sets of lights last week.....need I say more!

I think the OP has a perfectly reasonable complaint. Roadies don't want to ride on the road and abide by the rules, they want to use the roads to train on, which makes them competitive and keep pushing on. I followed a roadie on the A217 who jumped a series of about six sets of lights last week.....need I say more!

and just for balance whilst waiting at a set of red lights whilst out for a ride during the week i had three cars drive past me to jump the light, and whilst driving to work during the week i lost count of the number of drivers speeding, parked illegally, overtaking cyclists dangerously, using phones to text, using the wrong lanes on roundabouts, applying makeup.......

Back to the OP, are you saying you were stopped at a give way, are you saying that the cyclist was filtering up the side of you, you are aware of advanced stop lines? not saying there were any in this case but it is actually quite normal for cyclists to filter to the front of the queue. It is partly so the dozy makeup wielding phone using car drivers are aware of your presence.

I'm confused by why you had stopped to turn left off a road?

You have changed your story to make it sound like you're correct, agree with others here; sounds like you just misjudged distances.

everyone knows that lots of road users break the law singling out roadies [ as if car drivers do not do the same or other road users] is slightly shortsighted.
I am also confused as to the story tbh but you can never just blame someone due to the mode of transport they were on be it a cycle or a car.