[Closed] New shock time - is Kashima really worth the extra £100

I'm advised not, by my new suspension supplier BOS, they tried it twenty years back apparently and it wears too soon, or so they claim, reckon it's just marketing BS and their coating is twenty times as resilient, time will tell I guess.

reckon it's just marketing BS and their coating is twenty times as resilient

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Never ridden it standard was fine for me, it might be handy when you go to sell your bike on, I'm not saying you'll get £100 extra but it might sell quicker and it could be a deciding factor for someone in a couple of years when/if more shocks for sale will have it. If it hasn't worn off first.

So one suspension company talking BS to counter another suspension company's BS.
It's all just a load of BS !!!

But at least the kashima looks cool! 8)

I'm interested in this too.

Just bought a Fox Float RLC FIT 140mm set of forks for my trance but decided against kashima due to the extra cost. Have I made a foul mistake or prudent saving??? 🙂

Marketing BS aimed at the gullible rich boys that can't ride a bike for toffee! 😆

It'll feel plusherer in the push it up and down in the carpark test.

Didn't have on old 5, do on new, now way would I pay £100 for it again...

That's my mind made up... I didn't think it would make much difference with 14 stone of me on board smashing over rocks.

I do think it's slightly better (swapped an RP23 non-kashima for the exact equivalent kashima version). But not £100 better.

Think it depends on the bike, the rear of mine feels very plush (tracer VP) and I find it lot more mobile than the forks which are kashima coated. I wouldn't have a kashima shock for my bike, it doesn't need it in my opinion.

Fcryoutsakes, search function. For everyone's info RS have been using kashima stantions for ages but fox's marketing g BS means they want to stand out therefore they decided upon getting kashima to do a goody coloured finish and put a K logo on the upper legs and push it to the max in regards to BS hype of their products are better than the next brand.

It's all a conspiracy to part with your cash, IMO fox used to be great performance products I.e. my 2006 36 talas r's were far superior in dampening characteristics than the 2011 floats which were bash utter online as being a better ride feel through the cartridge used in them.

I errrr! Wrong!

nowadays the biking sales world Comes first verging on an analogy of the BBC increasing the TVicense or tbh, actually charging anything atall as we all are aware surely it's full of s£!7 and that money for co.s brings about a direct influence and control over who owns the majority of the market for future world domination driven by greed.

Anyway enough of the waffle, basically save more than your £100 go buy a set of RS or xfusion and get mr flooks or jtech to sort them for you to outlast a set of plastic over hyped geriatric once ridden twice in UK winter set of foxes.

I personally would go to white brothers or bos if I were in that position or else cruising and tune them to the max with aftermarket proper hobby seals. Hey go wild and raw them with nitro morse then get creative with some artisan decal designs Banksy style.

Hell if you buy a set of RS then anodise the upper stantion legs gold colour if your a fan of the fox look that is, is that the case if so then I just wasted 4% of my iPhones battery!

onceinalifetime - Member

For everyone's info RS have been using kashima stantions for ages

See this? It's cobblers. Complete and utter.

Guilty until proven otherwise...
Another fox fanboy then

One RP23, one set Boxxer Teams, one set Lyriks, one set Revelations, one Vivid. Fanboy is it?

I've got kashima on my forks and shock, IMO I can feel the difference on the forks ( will actually use full travel , unlike my non kash floats ) but nothing on the rear shock ? Poss something to do with low pressure sensitivity improvement , obviously much less so with my fat arse on the rear shock running near 200psi !!!

Talking non coherrant waffle here too onceinalifetime

onceinalifetime....written after a night down the pub?

Well if written after the pub its a good effort... I can't read the screen after a night at the pub nevermind try to type something.

Reading the responses above the consensus seems to be on a rear shock there may be margin improvement but not £100 worth or to put it another way there isn't 33% improvement for the 33% additional cost.

No way on a shock.

Tried a Kashima RP23 and normal RP2 on same frame and really can't tell any difference on equivalent settings.

i thoroughly recommend anyone to pay the extra £100 most defiantly.

far more resilient in the long run those who say otherwise need to wake up and smell the coffee

chrisdiesel - Member
I've got kashima on my forks and shock, IMO I can feel the difference on the forks ( will actually use full travel , unlike my non kash floats ) but nothing on the rear shock ? Poss something to do with low pressure sensitivity improvement , obviously much less so with my fat arse on the rear shock running near 200psi !!!

Were the non Kash ones older? Because they changed the air side a couple of years back to make them more linear (i think effectively just shortening the pushrod). That would be more likely to let you get more travel than Kashima I would have thought.

bikeind - Member
i thoroughly recommend anyone to pay the extra £100 most defiantly.

far more resilient in the long run those who say otherwise need to wake up and smell the coffee

Im wathing you drink your £100 coffee & wonder why mine doesnt taste anything special? 😐

Why dont you find out yourself ?
Dont listen to the marketing or the thread full of yes/no answers.

Think about it and you will realise the shock moves up/down past the seal. So your talking about friction. You could rub your fingers up and down the shaft (Fnaar fnaar) and see if you spot the difference yourself.

I bet you cant.

But the gold coating does look nice.
If someone has bought a new Kashima shock Im not suprised they think its better, it looks better, cost more and being new probably did work better because it was new.

Scientifically Im sure you could say one coating is less rough/more pourus than another which has a miniscule effect on friction. But not so much you can feel in the real world. Just the temp difference on the day will change the friction by more Id imagine.

ive not ridden kashima only old style fox

as i understand it the new low friction seals make much more difference than the coating?

SKF/Fox seals make alot of difference, can feel it in the stand when just sliding the stantion on, kashima excentuates this, if you need a new CSU unit for the forks it makes sence to upgrade as it's only few £ over the standard coating.
It also makes a differnce on the shocks, although this is less easy to feel by bouncing up and down on it in the car park. As said above too it does look rather nice 😉

if you have gold teef, then matching kashima is a no-brainer.

So basically you can make an improvment in the real world by chainging the seals for a few quid next time its serviced.

Save your £100 unless you want bling for your buck.

(I do have Kashima coatings on my fork, but will happily agree its for looks, a service and new seals make a difference)

Not sure where the £100 comes from, guess the OP has quoted the extra for a air can and body tube upgrade in conjunction with a Full service from Mojo.

Kashima is definatly 'slippier' so better sensitivity, the Low friction seals also make a lot of difference.

If your body tube on your shock or CSU on forks need replacing it's not alot extra for Kashima parts so worth the upgrade.

We can get all this done for you as well, obviously. I'm not recommending it because it makes me anymore money (which it doesn't) just it the best value option if parts need replacing. 😀

can you get low friction seals for rear shocks?

Iv had the choice of fox or xfusion on my next bike and have saved money and gone for the xfusion which funnily enough comes with there version of k coating for far far cheaper. I think fox are like apple they have created something that everyone wants because they think its so much better when in fact RS, x fusion, Samsung and Nokia are as good and in some cases better. Shows that the marketing department in apple and fox are well worth their money

kimbers - Member
can you get low friction seals for rear shocks?

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Anyone, I'd be interested to know as well?

You pays ya money and ride ya bike. All you nay Sayers really want kashima weather it works or not. Just like you watch all the soaps you say you hate because your mrs makes you. Haha