[Closed] New Hope mtb

all made in the UK

http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/hope-hb160-launch-full-details/

I do like the look of this.

A lot!

Now, seeing as 1x is the new black, there's no need to make a front mech. Surely that makes it easier for Hope to finally make that rear mech that's been kicking around for a while.....

Pretty sure the video was all made in the UK Rorscharch. 😉

Fair play to them and hope (no pun intended) that they do ok.

I think it's a lot of money but appreciate that isn't unique to hope.

Pretty sure the video was all made in the UK Rorscharch

Mmmmmm, that's very nice.

But what colour for the anodising? Decisions, decisions

It's really nice but I'd feel like a right t!t riding it

I'm not a Hope fanboy,I pick and choose their stuff, or not, depending on merit.

That said a classy, classy looking bike!

I wish them good luck with the venture.

Why wouldn't I/anyone?! 😀

Filmed in Serre Chevalier.Ha!

Touchè, we could argue the semantics of 'made' and 'Filmed' but I'm tired. 🙂

Edited, for CFH. Apologies for having fat thumbs.

It might not have any standard parts on that back end but you know it will be supported for as long as they're in business.

Love the fact that there's no alignment adjustment on the rear caliper.

Touchè

If you're going to use an accent, at least try and make it the right one!

Touché is what you meant!

Also, big up da Serre Che massif, innit! 😀

A £400 pair of wheels on a £7500 bike, I'm out!!!

Reach is pretty short on the medium size, I imagine they'll be working on longer, lower, slacker moulds in due course. Otherwise it looks great, I don't have a problem buying a complete bike that, effectively, has bespoke parts. I hope (pun intended!) that they sell enough to continue with the bikemaking enterprise.

A bike built in the UK for a Californian market ?

Where's the mud clearance in that back end ?

The marketing department will need to work on this one ....

Main HB.160 designer Guillaume (left) and Doddy explaining the benefits of not using any conventional standards for the new bike.

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Not far from the prototyes that have been kicking around

They have been riding that bike about for the last couple of years or so!

At least it's been tested well

yeah im not so convinced either. have seen a few of them around over the last 12 months or so but its aesthetics (apart from the finish) have never blown me away. its just looks like it should've been released 2 years ago? for £7.5k you'd at least want some fancy carbon hoops, a boost backend and a bottle cage...

but you get to choose your anodising colour on Hope finishing kit.

all those bloody nooks a crannies to clean, do they do a frame only option ?

Its only the front tri thays carbon, apparently to keep costs down.... 😆

reminds me of my old Nukeproof mega, just with the top of the shock on the downtube instead.

I don't think it's bad value for those that like this kind of thing, certainly a similar price to any top spec other brand bike.

However, it's not where I'd put £7.5k if I had to spend it on a bike.

It looks nice, but like most things Hope, it's about 2 years behind the curve.

I'm sure they will sell well though 🙂

I don't think it's bad value for those that like this kind of thing, certainly a similar price to any top spec other brand bike

For 7500 I would be looking for higher spec wheels, but I suppose they have to 'keep costs down'.

Looking forward to seeing the 29er version soon.

I think it's brilliant they've managed to do this. Who else is managing to make a carbon frame without cheap eastern labour? The list is very short... And I think the rear hub solution is a great one, seems a better standard for the real world.

Its great that they have done it, but would I buy one at 7.5k? No...
IMO there are other nicer 'full' custom (UK if you want it) options out there with a more modern approach (robot bike co), which you could kit out with hope part as for less money.
Although I like idea of the 'non standard' standards that they are using on the back end, having never had an issue with my 197mm Fat bike chain stay width hitting trees etc its a bit of a unnecessary design (again. IMO).

As [s]most[/s] much of the kit is in-house and the wheels are 400 (at retail) i would love to find out how much a frame only option would be..... 6.5k+?

TBH £7,500 is much less than I feared it might cost, I was bracing for 5 figures...

The 5 figures top end bikes have wheels that if on this bike would push it to that price too.

Why would hope spec someone else's wheels for their bike though?

I like it, I'd have one with Orange bits on it

I like it. The finish in the flesh is amazing.

I think it's not too bad value wise given that it's produced in the U.K. in small quantities. Only shame for me is swapping the Ohlins for Fox.

Why would hope spec someone else's wheels for their bike though?

I never said they should, but you're then comparing Apple's with oranges with the 10k bike comparison.

Frinstance, intense trader at 10k cones with enve rims at a grand a pop, before you factor in hubs.

So to say it's not a 10k bike is not a straightforward as it looks.

Fwiw, I'd never spend that on wheels anyway, but folk shopping on bikes at this price do.

Just sayin.

I watched the vid late last night ....but what do people mean by non-standard parts ?
My understanding when sleepy was this is actually one of the few bike still using standard parts as SRAM push boost ???

(This being a perspective that Boost isn't a standard 😀 as most bikes being ridden as opposed to bought are not boost)

To be fair I'd be pretty scared using the bike for its intended purpose... unless they are offering crash damage replacement

130mm x 17mm rear axle...

Bizarre rear end...

A few mm extra clearance each side but rules out nice big tyre choices and mud room.
If it is such a concern, why not bin the dangler and go pinion?

At the price, it looks doomed to fail. Shame, as it looks nice overall.

So many folk moan about 'standards' but it's great if good old British company do it!

They are'nt trying to introduce new industry standards.

At the price, it looks doomed to fail. Shame, as it looks nice overall.

They're only going to be making 10 a week so it doesn't need to many orders to meet demand, especially when they get through the initial UK orders and then open it up to europe and the US.

They're making it to order so risk is much lower and once the moulds on the frames have paid themselves back it's just a case of running the programme on the CNC machines and laying up the carbon for the frames.

It's quite clever how they've done this, it may or may not be a high profit product for them, but it's a good advert for what they can do

FWIW, I think it's a lovely looking bike, and hope have been doing proper testing for a couple if years now, so shouldn't really be many issues with it, I'd live a shot.

It's good to see a UK company doing this, I really hope it is a roaring success.

But it is expensive, no getting away from that, at least it'll mean SC, Yeti and intense won't be held up the dearest bikes now!.

Reminds me of what Pace did when they started out. No compromise, just making what they believed to be the best bike.

it may or may not be a high profit product for them

I think it's great that Hope decided to make something that they wanted rather than based on an accounting IRR/shareholder value decision etc.

As they say in the video - the whole design & development process brought a huge 'lift' to the entire company.

As a 'contribution to bottom line' it may be minimal, but as a contribution to the Hope 'Brand' I think it's priceless.

Hope aren't stupid, they will have done the numbers and be making money on this.

People pay similar amount for boutique Evil/ Yeti/ Intense etc frames and builds, so I'm not sure this is crazy money compared to some. Well out of my price range, but can see why people would want one. Looks amazing.

I think it looks good and would defo support a local firm and have one if I had the cash, which I don't.

Spec wise it's not a mile off the launch edition Orange Stage 5 which is 5.5k so frame only at 3.5k would be my guess. Not bad for British made when compared to the Far East completion.

Winced when I saw their bars are £160 but now I see they're also locally made I might consider them.

Hope aren't stupid, they will have done the numbers and be making money on this

From memory this isn't how they structure their financal/ business decisions.

I recall from a few years ago, an article that said they 'lease purchase' many of their CNC machines and run them constantly until they have 'paid for themselves'. They can then be used for R&D and experimental projects etc

During the video they make a couple of light-hearted references to how much the Hope bike project 'cost' and accountants etc

Whilst I'm sure Hope won't be 'losing' money on this venture I think it's refreshing for a manufacturing company to look beyond the purely 'contribution to the bottom line' decision making process.

Something that is perhaps only possible these days with a 'privately owned company'.

They received a free DTI report some years ago that said that the owners could make considerable more money for themselves by outsourcing all the manufacturing to the far-east.

Hope threw the report in the bin ...

They didn't want to make money ... they wanted to make a bike! 8)