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Canfields certainly aren't light but I like the guys behind the company and the designs are quiet nice.
Edit: Never Mind
Sorry I know Doug, it's me James. Just thought you might want to see it, from what you can tell in the video it seems like they rated the ride very well if not better than the Evil. Which does also look like a great bike, if it holds together. But I don't want to get into that, it has already been covered.
Their review of the Phantom was also really positive.
Sorry I know Doug, it's me James. Just thought you might want to see it, from what you can tell in the video it seems like they rated the ride very well if not better than the Evil. Which does also look like a great bike, if it holds together. But I don't want to get into that, it has already been covered.Their review of the Phantom was also really positive.
Ha, as you can tell, I'm still procrastinating 😉
I WILL decide this week, assuming I can get an answer on pricing and availability of the Following from Silverfish.
Want us to find out?
I've dropped you an email....
For those that are interested in this, there is now more information up at Bike, along with a Q&A with Kevin Walsh of Evil.
http://www.bikemag.com/news/evils-following-2015-bible-bike-tests-roundtable-reels/
So it 'wins' the test, is carbon so probably made in short production runs, and comes from a small company. Not many are going to make it over here.
It raises the bar all the same. A good thing. I still want one.
Want one myself.
Some rad dirt jumping on a 29er.
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/luke-strobel-launches-the-following-video-2015.html
Get it bought Doug - when are they shipping?
Red or black?
when are they shipping?
This month, they are shipping to customers in the US already apparently! Black only at first, Orange is a couple of months away.
Still no final UK price though, personally still holding off till I see that before deciding.
It's $100 more than the uprising in the US, so maybe £2099 is my guess.
It'll be the same number of pounds as it is dollars. Bike importer spreadsheet maths = not complicated!
I do have indicative prices but not fair to post them publicly until they have been confirmed. One of you is closer than the other 😉
make sure you get your lower oil price dividend
The more I see and read about this bike the more I like it. The geo looks spot on. I'll be keeping an eye on it's UK release and availability.
EDIT: Is there a UK release date?
EDIT: Is there a UK release date?
This month.
Any more news on availability and pricing on this yet? Really got an itch to see one of these in the plastic... got a horrible feeling it could be 'the one'...!
UK pricing is £2400. I believe should be available in the next month.
wow...! It had better be at least as good as bike mag reckon for that kind of outlay
is that for frame, shock and headset Doug?
Yes, frame shock and headset price.
It is pricey yes, though I suppose it's in the same ballpark as a carbon frame from Santa Cruz, Yeti et al. Certainly a bit more than I'd hoped for myself since the Uprising is (relatively) good value at £2k, and the US price for these is only $100 more.
It's gotta be said, a full build '15 Kona Process 111, Pikes, X1, < £3k. How important to you is the carbon?
Or a full lower end build, '14, less than the price of the Following frame. (The Process 111 frames didn't change between '14 and '15 apart from colour, I checked with Kona on that).
I'm not trying to put you off, I love gorgeous bikes too, but sometimes a reality check is helpful.
But the Evil is orange. You can't put a price on orange 🙂
Granted the newer Kona bikes are different breed from days of old but some people, myself included, could never bring themselves to own a kona. Im sure Doug is aware of my kona experience but the lack of customer service and warranty was at a level that I doubt many on here would believe.
Fair dos, my first decent MTB was a Kona Kula and I still ride it 12 years later so I have no issue. (Or contact with them in the intervening years).
Dearer than I was thinking.
US/UK prices:
Evil The Following: 2599/2400 = 1.08
Ibis HD3: 2900/2599 = 1.12
Pivot Mach 6: 2999/2500 = 1.12
Bronson CC: 2899/2799 = 1.04 (often thought to be poor exchange rate)
Yeti SB5C: 3399/2799 = 1.21 (same distributor?)
Well it makes a change from 1:1!
It's gotta be said, a full build '15 Kona Process 111, Pikes, X1, < £3k. How important to you is the carbon?
Carbon is almost entirely unimportant, I'd take an aluminium one given the choice.
As for the Kona, I don't want one regardless of price. I've got several bike build spreadsheets to give me a reality check on cost, and none of them tell me a Kona is a good buy!
I've got several bike build spreadsheets to give me a reality check on cost, and none of them tell me a Kona is a good buy!
riding one probably would though...but hey spreadsheet says no...
I think you miss my point, but anyway, this isn't a thread about whether I want to buy a Kona or not, it was about the Evil, I was just sharing the pricing info I had as I knew a few on this thread were interested. Whether they feel it is good value to them, and what other bikes they want to benchmark it against is entirely up to them.
Oh, and what Klunky said 😉
Doug, side question, at what price does your spreadsheet say the P111 become an "OK buy" (for someone who might want one!)?
I agree it's a bit over priced from an accounting POV.
http://www.konaworld.com/process_111.cfm
My point was only that I've worked out various build options on the Following so that was all the reality check I needed. I have not even considered a Process, nor do I want to, my comment in relation to a spreadsheet not telling me to buy one was tongue in cheek, obviously that hasn't worked!
It's been covered already but yes, £2400 is expensive but comparable with other frame manufacturers for a carbon frame.
I suppose to me that seems reasonable and to a certain degree an expected price. To others not. Surely it depends on how good it rides and then whether it's worth the pennies.
For sure, it's about value, which is very subjective, more than price. This is a leisure item after all.
It's been covered already but yes, £2400 is expensive but comparable with other frame manufacturers for a carbon frame.
Do other such manufacturers have such a colourful distant (and present) past regarding their ability to build bikes that fall apart with impressive regularity?
It takes a brave person to drop that sort of money on an Evil frame, no matter how "cool" a brand they are.
It takes a brave person to drop that sort of money on an Evil frame, no matter how "cool" a brand they are.
So we're adding risk aversion to the list too.
Blimey, buying a bike is complicated!
So we're adding risk aversion to the list too.
Blimey, buying a bike is complicated!
It was definitely relevant to the Uprising. They seem to have learnt from their mistakes though.
No idea how they manage to get bigger wheels and more clearance into that short a chainstay though, even with short travel.
So we're adding risk aversion to the list too.
Considering the brand, it would be the first thing for most people 😉
Blimey, buying a bike is complicated!
Buying bikes is simple, getting approval of the STW massive is complicated.
Buying bikes is simple, getting approval of the STW massive is [s]complicated[/s] impossible.
Anyway did you order already?