[Closed] Name and Shame

Was the OP informed that the frame was made up from 2 seperate ones. I would have thought that was something that should have been mentioned if all was above board

panicing that his boss is going to go batshit on him for givin the shop a bad rep .....

sounds like the saturday boy "all my work is checked" = boss doesnt trust him anyway

id be seeking a refund - and tbh if it was me id contact the shop as well -"no need to get them involved" - well actually if it was one of my mechanic that was ripping folk off with dodgy frames and half finished work id want to know about it.

I thnk a refund is in order and if he won't thenI see no reason not to contact the shop to put pressure on him

Pics would help.

TandemJeremy - Member
I see no reason not to contact the shop to put pressure on him

So by your logic, if you sold me a black saddle that turned out to be red on arrival, thus a dispute ensues, then let's say you were a trolley pusher for Tesco's or something, then there is no reason for me not to contact your manager as Tesco's to put pressure on you? 😕

Yup.

I rip you off then refuse to sort it out then anythings fair

sorry to but in hear, but i have a non broken full carbon, but i must admit pink scott spark frame for sale, its got a fox shox, warranty replacement front frame less than 6 mounts old, with about 2 mounts riding on it, and its about to have the rear swing arm replaced, so basically its almost new. apart from seat stays, Not available right now as ive only orders replacement swing arm to day.(give it a few days) Im not in to internet selling for valuable stuff. But if you live in the Manchester area you can come and have a look at it.

To be fair, the Sellers job is more relevant here than Tesco/saddle sales.

I'd like to think the Seller would see sense before his Manager were brought into it. Strictly speaking, his job is not related as he didn't sell it through the shop. However any employer could invoke the old 'bringing into disrepute' clause that just about covers 'anything we might wish it to'.

What David said above, if you buy a frame that is advertised as 'fully reassembled before sale' you don't expect to receive a frame with bearings half hanging out etc and guides missing that mean you have to take it to a shop and shell out another £75 to get it sorted.

If it were me I'd be making the sellers life hell (including calling employers but only because he works in the bike trade and either way, his name and his employers name are all over this thread - something I'm sure his employer would be keen to get cleaned up!) until I either got a refund for what its cost you to put it right.

I was speaking from pov of my old job as a shop manager have had staff in the past bein abusive to folk outside rhe shop purely to provoke a reaction - not realisin they were good customers - this falls under the same umbrella as far as im concerned ! - they werent about the shop much longer.

He might think next time !

He's been using his bike shop employee status to enhance the prospect of sales,and kudos. He previously included the name of the bikeshop on Pinkbike.

The damage is already done, it's now time to do the decent thing. A bikeshop says it needs £75 worth of work doing on it.

Where's the dispute

Pay the man!

I just want to make it clear - my problem is with the seller, and not the shop - the shop that has been identified may well be an excellent local bike shop, with many many happy customers.

And again, the seller may be an excellent mechanic for the shop, and work incredibly hard and make all his customers happy.

This is a seperate issue, which relates to the sale of goods privately.

boblo - Member
To be fair, the Sellers job is more relevant here than Tesco/saddle sales.

I'd like to think the Seller would see sense before his Manager were brought into it. Strictly speaking, his job is not related as he didn't sell it through the shop. However any employer could invoke the old 'bringing into disrepute' clause that just about covers 'anything we might wish it to'.

Sorry, but you or anyone else agreeing are wrong on that score, the sellers job is completely irrelevant as this is a PRIVATE SALE and nothing to do with his employers.

Here is what he wrote again.

the shop has NO involvement in any of my sales. the front end of the bike came from a friend of mine. the back end was off a frame which had FRONT end damage and so was sold on ebay, i bought this and repaired the full build myself. just because i work in a shop does not mean every move i do, the shop is invoved. doing so brings the shop into bad light, i was a customer there before i worked there, and i take full responsibility for my own actions, no matter what they are.

Makes no difference if he works in a Bike shop, Butchers or a Bank, it's a private sale.
However, I do agree that the honourable thing to do as 'Buttscratcher' is feeling hard done by is to return the money in exchange for the frame, I do not believe this lad owes buttscratch the money he paid to get it fixed though as that was his own hasty decision to do so, I would not move on that until I had some kinda resolution first.

The real moral of this and the other similar recent thread is that you take a risk when buying privately through classifieds, you have ZERO protection so the best thing to do (especially if we are talking big money) is either..

1) Only buy off someone that you can visit in person (or they come to you) so you can view the good first hand before parting with cash.

Or

2) Study hard at school so that you get a well paid job which will give you enough money to buy everything brand new in the first place.

*Ace Ventura voice* ''I have execrsiiiised the demons''. 😉

MM. You are right....and wrong 🙂

Yes the shop wasn't directly involved and I believe should be kept out of the equation. I think the ones who have raised the spectre of sh1t stirring with the employer are just trying to put additional pressure on the seller to do the right thing and sort this out.

However, assuming 'normal' employment contacts etc, your employer can take umbrage under the 'bringing the Company into disrepute' moniker for what you do in your private life.

Probably a bit OTT for a Saturday boy in a bike shop tho....

I do not believe this lad owes buttscratch the money he paid to get it fixed though as that was his own hasty decision to do so, I would not move on that until I had some kinda resolution first.

The only reason I was *hasty*, was because I bought the frame as to build a spare bike for solo races, which the first of which is at the weekend.

This would have been pretty easy to sort out, had the seller not taken 3 weeks to post the bloody frame. But given I had a week to sort it out, I couldn't take many chances - I had been looking for a hardtail race frame in the meantime too, but didn't find anything.

Dropping more cash on another full sus race frame, when I had no response from the seller could again leave me in the same situation. So for me, it was possbily lose another £75 or have a nice carbon hat stand, and spend another £300.

For me the best option was to have the problems repaired by someone competent.

What does the Seller say about 'the bike will be full reassembled' and then supplying it with half out bearings and a DIY bearing kit?

boblo - Member
MM. You are right....and wrong

Yes the shop wasn't directly involved and I believe should be kept out of the equation. I think the ones who have raised the spectre of sh1t stirring with the employer are just trying to put additional pressure on the seller to do the right thing and sort this out.

[b]However, assuming 'normal' employment contacts etc, your employer can take umbrage under the 'bringing the Company into disrepute' moniker for what you do in your private life.[/b]

Probably a bit OTT for a Saturday boy in a bike shop tho....

I don't know how the law stands on that and he might have a case for unfair dismissal in a tribunal, but you can see where I'm coming from I think.
It's the suggestion that his employers are somehow MORE responsible because it's a trade linked to the subject matter, and this of course is absolute nonsense and quite typical of the STW sense of logic.
If I sold you a faulty hairdryer through the classifieds, you would have more right to contact and involve my employer if they happen to be Francesco's? Or would you contact my employer just the same, to 'put pressure' on me if I worked in a sausage making factory?

Anyone got any biscuits? I've run out. 🙂

2) Study hard at school so that you get a well paid job which will give you enough money to buy everything brand new in the first place.

*Ace Ventura voice* ''I have execrsiiiised the demons''.

and learned how to spell exorcised

This thread has had the intended response - i.e. the seller now realises this is an important issue - so I'd suggest we take this offline, as this is probably as far as this thread will go before just turning into a bun fight.

Makes no difference if he works in a Bike shop, Butchers or a Bank

If I was a Bank Manager and an employee did something dishonest whilst wearing his HSBC shirt in his own time, I'd want to know about it!

If I owned a butchers and an employee was selling out of date cuts of meat around town and giving people gut ache, I'd want to know about it!

The only reason I was *hasty*, was because I bought the frame as to build a spare bike for solo races, which the first of which is at the weekend.

Fair enough, not sure how much you paid for the work to be done but I think to as well as a full refund, I think the very least I would do if it was me, would be to offer you something from my bike shop of around the same value to make up for those costs incurred, he will get a discount on stuff after all.

Let's do the deal, shake hands and move on. 8)

duntstick - Member
Makes no difference if he works in a Bike shop, Butchers or a Bank
If I was the Bank Manager and an employee did something dishonest whilst wearing his HSBC shirt in his own time, Id want to know about it!

If I owned a butchers and an employee was selling out of date cuts of meat around town and giving people gut ache, I'd want to know about it!

STW forum logic at it's finest again I see. 🙄

He wasn't wearing his bike store's name tag, he sold it PRIVATELY, it was the miffed buyer that brought the subject of his employment up, not the seller, your first point is IRRELEVANT.

He didn't sell any meat (bike parts) from his own butchers (bike) shop, (WHICH PART OF 'PRIVATE SALE' DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!)your second point is IRRELEVANT. 😉

He's been using his bike shop employee status to enhance the prospect of sales,and kudos. He previously included the name of the bikeshop on Pinkbike.

It's irrelevant, if it was my shop and my employee I'd be fed up as however you try to disconnect him, some other people will connect him. Rightly or wrongly.

toys19 - Member
It's irrelevant, if it was my shop and my employee I'd be fed up as however you try to disconnect him, some other people will connect him. Rightly or wrongly.

I don't think this is in dispute, most employers would perhaps raise an eyebrow and question their employee ...but..

People here are talking as if there may be grounds for dismissal in a case like this.

On what grounds should be dismissed?
What laws have been broken to justify this action by the employer?
What proof (considering no pics have been taken by the buyer) is there that this is anything other than 'a simple misunderstanding of communication ie:- one man's definition of 'Mint' is different to another? And that it is a simple case of 'your word again't mine'?

Right then,

Seller has contacted me direct now, and is asking for proof of the work carried out, i.e. reciepts.

He has apologised for the lack of reply earlier, and would like to remove any detail of the shop in question from this thread.

I will contact the Admins to ask to remove this, as I do agree it is inappropriate, as I have stated above - it is a private sale, and although he may work for said shop, I have no grievance with them at all, or with the seller professionally.

*packs pitchfork and torch away*

Though it sounds like basically it was the mentions of the shop that motivated him to do the right thing :shrug:

This thread needed leverage, let's face it, that's why it was put on here.

Without it, it would have gone the same way as the other 'ripoff' thread........

I think it's achieved it's aim. Result 🙂

grum - Member
Though it sounds like basically it was the mentions of the shop that motivated him to do the right thing :shrug:

i'm guessing the shop owner has made him do the right thing?

Whether contacting his employer is irrelevant or not, if I was out of pocket then I'd be doing everything in my power to put pressure on getting a result and if that meant contacting his employer then so be it. If it meant contacting his mummy and daddy and telling them to take his pocket money away, so be it. Nothing would stop me until I was reimbursed 😈

The seller came on here with his big diatribe against what the OP had said and distancing himself from his employer but avoided offering any solutions.

Edit -
He has clearly had pressure applied at work so a decent result at last.

Buttscratcher - Member
Right then,

Seller has contacted me direct now, and is asking for proof of the work carried out, i.e. reciepts.

He has apologised for the lack of reply earlier, and would like to remove any detail of the shop in question from this thread.

I will contact the Admins to ask to remove this, as I do agree it is inappropriate, as I have stated above - it is a private sale, and although he may work for said shop, I have no grievance with them at all, or with the seller professionally.

JMHO but I think you should let this thread stand, it's threads like these that can serve as a warning or lessen to others that wheeling and dealing in forum classified sections can be a minefield.

Pleased for you, that you got the result you desired though. Amen.

Seller has contacted me direct now, and is asking for proof of the work carried out, i.e. reciepts.

Is he going to pay or just asking for proof of work done?

I've asked for the shop name to be censored from the thread - which I believe is the right action.

The seller has asked for receipts to discuss reparations.

And another spotty teenager put back on the right track 🙂

I will contact the Admins to ask to remove this,

Not until you get what you're due.

I will contact the Admins to ask to remove this,

There you go, getting all 'trusting' again! 😆

If it meant contacting his mummy and daddy and telling them to take his pocket money away, so be it. Nothing would stop me until I was reimbursed

Remind me to never try and rip you off!

If I were the OP I would be wanting the check with the shop that this isn't a warranty replacement frame that the seller has pulled from the skip - but then again I wouldn't part with £££ for something unseen unless I had some come back sorted first.

sorry if this has been noted before....

does anyone else find it funny that he only got in touch after the naming and shaming began? would he have bothered if Mr Scratcher hadn't gone down this bumpy path....?

TBH The OP seems to be being reasonable her ethere is little eveidence tha the seller did take tow broken bike sout the bins at work and the try and sell them to you
Personally I would expect the guides on a bike - pretty useless without them - and WTF is someone doing selling a bike with bearing half in half out like someoen wont be pissed off about that
the Op seems to be mor ereasonabel here that those craving a lynching. The seller seesm concerened that this will get back to the shop. He ha sbeen a bit foolish but him loosing his job here may be overkill for a porivate issue [ assuming tale of bike is correct]

Dude?!? Whhhaaaaaat???? Are you okay? 😉

TBH The OP seems to be being reasonable her ethere is little eveidence tha the seller did take tow broken bike sout the bins at work and the try and sell them to you
Personally I would expect the guides on a bike - pretty useless without them - and WTF is someone doing selling a bike with bearing half in half out like someoen wont be pissed off about that
the Op seems to be mor ereasonabel here that those craving a lynching. The seller seesm concerened that this will get back to the shop. He ha sbeen a bit foolish but him loosing his job here may be overkill for a porivate issue [ assuming tale of bike is correct]

I think your keyboard is broken.