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Mr.mcd
I think it's great that someone actually has the balls to come in on this and speak up with what they believe. Let's be honest, if it's all one sided- can accuracy be maintained without bias? Probably not. Thanks Mr.mcd for the posts.
As an individual customer from one those wee islands by Australia, the ignoring of emails can never acceptable. It's not a negotiation. We can't do shirt from down here if a company stops replying. By Sick cutting contact after purchase, they get a unique response. We're all in it together down here, we know the same people, we ride the same places etc. Shag each other's wives, all related, you know how it goes...
So Sick got this kickback via us.
They're welcome! And you guys are too! lol check out my latest post if ur bored
Sounds like you can be too much of a nice guy sometimes Mike.
You know enough about your work and business to know what your worth, all the best with it.
To be clear, other than a hookup of the level I’ve done for several other industry contacts, in late Spring last year, I am not “helping them” whatever anyone may claim.
Mick your also assertive but humble and above all mostly helpful in what you post
That maybe something your alluding to with things you have mastered over the years.
It's a fine line to tread before you become obnoxious - and that rubs folk up the wrong way. Watching from the outside I can't help but feel that confrontational attitude is paving the way for some of the comments/reactions the other party are recieving.
No matter who you are it never does good to burn bridges with anyone - the industry is small and relitively cyclical.
As an individual customer from one those wee islands by Australia, the ignoring of emails can never acceptable. It’s not a negotiation. We can’t do shirt from down here if a company stops replying. By Sick cutting contact after purchase, they get a unique response. We’re all in it together down here, we know the same people, we ride the same places etc. Shag each other’s wives, all related, you know how it goes…
So Sick got this kickback via us.
I ain't having a dig ,not here to cast aspertions defend deny cajole just a bloke on the www...people will use whatever you or I or Dave down the road writes and use it to prop up their own argument, I sure hope the end result isn't you going **** you mick I told you so in whatever time period it takes to sort you out
That said
Ihave sent plenty of stuff down to australazia to help people out often at my expense I once remember Darren Baum ( unless your into road bikes you might not have heard of him) telling me that getting stuff machined down there was really really hard ( his other piece of sage advice was to keep my ****ing g mouth shut and just make cool shit) , I used to be part of that framebuilders community before I kind of turned my back on it , but hey I sent plenty of stuff down there sometimes people might send me an email and I would reply a month later I was working two jobs too , but they got free stuff often hundred of bucks worth of machining so they could make frame jigs that I also put the plans out there for free for them to use ( disclaimer we did also used to sell them ), the other end of it was even if you didn't have anything to sell , the emails you would get saying you had practically just ruined someone's business?? Because you failed to actually sell them anything , , im not making it up. Henceforth I get your pissed.
I get that you are stuck between shit and a slice of bread here and maybe I'm wrong in having faith in people generally being good but sometimes failing....I've got that tshirt too (let down people in the past myself) it won't make it any less of a PITA for you matey as I said in opening I reckon if your right and I'm wrong then it's open season that you can call me a silly naive c*** .
Hi Mick. Shame this association isn't still active:-
https://m.facebook.com/Sopwamtos-Society-of-People-Who-Actually-Make-Their-Own-Shit-184981991584053/
Is there a similar group for people who actually believe their own shit?
😉
Is there a similar group for people who actually believe their own shit?
Yes , yes there is
mick_r ihought they were all still at it
Yes , yes there is
Haha.
I was thinking more of Sick Bicycles, but I take your point.
I'm impressed, took 2 coffees this morning to digest all this.
I can't comment on most of the above, I'm purely an end user.
But in breaking news, and not to change the subject or anything. I tracked down the dude who won the Sick comp of that pic everyone was posting in June.
Tim's burned orange DJ frame. A bmx'er with rediculous ability won it and had the privilege of becoming Tim's burned customer.
I say customer because as you know, the buy-in over the years to be able to launch out of bowls with a deathwish (hehe) doesn't come for free.
Sick would have chosen someone that suited them, for the likes, the free publicity and all that BS we've become accustomed to seeing.
Oh, did the guy get his bike? What do you think.
I have read all of this and the "other" sick thread ,could be a classic written in an attic & I'm saying the "guy" didn't get the bike?
"Is there a similar group for people who actually believe their own shit?"
Get on the phone to netflix - that just HAS to be commissioned!
So you are saying the guy won a competition to win a frame that already exists but they didn't give it to him?
That’s what it looks like, from ggs insta (the apparent winner got in contact)
There was a frame on the net
By posting a pic, you might get.
Posted he did, he was just a kid
Tryin'a do a skid, without a lid.
A won a nice bike,
For a follow and a like
But for all his effort
He can take a hike....
senor j, I could draw you a picture from the comfort of my attic if you prefer?
£100 for a CNC machined alluminium billet , of which 4 are required per bike?
I am not doubting the price , but if 4 billets at £400 are needed, plus all the other tubing , welding , ancillary componants required then there is very little left to cover anything.
Marketing, shipping, insurance, ( they must have PL insurance surely ?) paint , stickers , wages , tax , NI , pensions , phone bills, BB costs , Bank fees , big windows etec
does not add up unless theses frames are £3k a pop
does not add up unless theses frames are £3k a pop
And some - that's just the raw materials BEFORE you start machining and there will be several hours of machining then inspection then anodising.
You can hire one at Swinley Bike Hub now apparently.
You can hire one at Swinley Bike Hub now apparently.
For the full Sick! experience hopefully they take your money, then disappear for several hours into the lockup before you get your bike.
does not add up unless theses frames are £3k a pop
The sleipnir is. But it includes a pinion gearbox, cranks, two chains, idler wheels, shock and an onyx hub. Reckon that’s a grand+ even at trade.
Oh dear oh dear....
https://m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=211801&pagenum=3
Seems an email to all those waiting on frames within 48 hours was too big a challenge.
Christ, they are like the Brexit of bike brands.
Delayed another vote email response.
Brexit? Think I heard something about that here last week. How far do you have to be from Europe when you go brexiting?
Someone say Europe? Did I hear Germany? Speaking of Germany and all of its efficiency... have I got the story for you...
Well there's a dude on the mtb-forum over there with the problem of having 2 wulf frames. One he waited aaaages for(standard) then in December he received another one. No reply from Sick-standard- it now lives under his bed, doesn't know what to do with it.
Pretty stink, what did Germany ever do to piss people off besides putting a grip shift on their pinion gearbox...? GG
Christ, they are like the Brexit of bike brands.
Hardly Theresa May shall have delivered upon her Brexit promise before they deliver on anything.
Oh dear oh dear….
https://m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=211801&pagenum=3
Seems an email to all those waiting on frames within 48 hours was too big a challenge.
Ok so two people didn't get frames according to that thread, It is mostly made up of Tom Howard and some others stirring the pot.
How many other brands can you name where 2 (plus here) people haven’t had frames, months(years) after they were promised them? I’ll wait.
Well, my new Orbea Oiz demo is being delivered tomorrow after being ordered in June. 9 months, from a major brand. So everyone can struggle with delivering on time occasionally.
When did they promise delivery? Was it listed as in stock? I get that stuff has long lead times (I’ve been waiting on some brakes for 6months, some cranks for 3) but there’s no excuse for no communication, and then radio silence when folk decide enough is enough and want a refund.
Hardly Theresa May shall have delivered upon her Brexit promise before they deliver on anything.
Ooh - this could be an interesting race. Which will come first? Brexit or...
I wonder if I'll ever get my Gnarpoon t-shirt. I only bought it because it's an STW joke 🙂
You want a gnarpoon shirt? As the copyright holder I could bang some up, £25 to you sir and I will deliver within the next 14 days (*)
(*venusian days)
lol - So the shirts arrive before the Gnarpoon frames ?
Perhaps all the missing frames will be on their stand at the London Bike Show?🤔
Posting for Tom so he can go to bed: 😉
Update.
Thank you all for your very kind messages of support and understanding.
This week we move in to our first office.
For the last 2 years we have either worked from home, often with a kid under one arm or a toddler jumping on our respective heads. Or borrowed the studio space at night, not ideal for a growing business.
We’ll be restarting live streaming on instagram and YouTube next week. Something I’m really looking forward to. We’ve missed the face to face part of the job.
The first step towards bringing better service?
Structure. Being able to be all in the same room will allow us to collaborate and problem solve far easier. We have room to assemble bikes and do QC checks, it’ll be nice to have space to enjoy the fun bits of the job.
Me and Tim have split the communication workload down a bit so some (hopefully, most) of you waiting for an update may have heard from us by now. We wanted to reach everyone during the first 48 hours. However, a stumbling block is, we need the supplier and manufacturer to confirm dates with us, at the same time we are whipping them to deliver with as little delay as possible. So we are awaiting some updates still, but only because they are busy physically making things. As we are updated, we'll get that info out there. At the moment the Manufacturers have advised, we have 2 very large deliveries scheduled for the 13/16th March and a final one within a few weeks after that.
Competing all outstanding Wulf (AM & Ruby) / Hacksaw / Deathwish / Hangman orders. Bringing us up to date.
It was great to see the photos of stacks and stacks of frames, and, the new dropouts, all produced in house, mean that we don't have to rely on outside fabrication as much. Something that was causing delays, these are some of the things we've bene working towards.
Frank has moved in to a big premises in Vermont allowing him much more capacity for building, we are patiently waiting for the Gnarpoon project to hit speed.
(And a couple of other surprises from the USA)
As we mentioned before, we have also taken on 2 more manufacturers to help us scale up production. It’s an incredibly exciting time for the team. We probably won’t see the first frames until the start of summer, but we’ve been working with these guys for a while to get things right first time. Really helping us shoot this company to the moon.
We’ve also expanded our screenprint studio,
So we’ll handle a majority of clothing in house.
All in all, we’ll get to be more involved in all the processes.
Keep your eyes peeled as we’ll be doing a big singleprint Sunday to test all the new gear out
We know mistakes have been made. And we are working towards solving them. We are here for you, just busy chipping away.
Changes *will* take time, we see this journey as continuous improvement rather than slapping a band aid over it and hoping it will be OK.
We're getting there, thanks for your help and patience.
Jordan (& Tim, Zam, Lee)
However, a stumbling block is, we need the supplier and manufacturer to confirm dates with us, at the same time we are whipping them to deliver with as little delay as possible. So we are awaiting some updates still, but only because they are busy physically making things. As we are updated, we’ll get that info out there. At the moment the Manufacturers have advised, we have 2 very large deliveries scheduled for the 13/16th March and a final one within a few weeks after that.
Competing all outstanding Wulf (AM & Ruby) / Hacksaw / Deathwish / Hangman orders. Bringing us up to date.
Or the short version...
We still have not worked out that promising things we can't deliver is bad, so we are going to blame other people for the fact we made a promise we could not keep. But stuff will be he please please please please don't hit refund me on paypal, PLEASE!!!!!
We know mistakes have been made. And we are working towards solving them.
If only they would just stick to this message rather than blaming suppliers and life in general
band aid
Are they Yanks??
We’ll be restarting live streaming on instagram and YouTube next week. Something I’m really looking forward to. We’ve missed the face to face part of the job.
Sorry, just here enjoying the show, but I love this personal touch....
Have they shared photos of all these frames on Instagram then?
Competing all outstanding Wulf (AM & Ruby) / Hacksaw / Deathwish / Hangman orders. Bringing us up to date.
I don't follow Sick that closely, but there's FOUR names on that list. Is that four different bikes they've had on sale that they haven't manufactured yet? How many bloody models do they actually have?
Also, yes, they're on the list of exhibitors for the London Bike Show. Which is brave, considering the amount of people they've challenged to come and see them face to face thinking it'll never happen.
I don’t follow Sick that closely, but there’s FOUR names on that list.
#Just #four #really #edgy #and #cool #names #for #the #likes
don’t follow Sick that closely, but there’s FOUR names on that list.
And that isn’t even a complete list, by a long stretch, there’s at least another 4 models. So another email comes out making tons of promises, as previously. I hope, for the sake of those that have outstanding orders, it comes off.
The cynic/realist in me thinks that when (if) these frames are delivered there are going to be stacks of quality control and warranty issues.
Still no "sorry" then?
Good to see them living up to the petulant manchild public image that they've carefully cultivated.
I have no skin in the game whatsoever, but this thread really is the gift that just keeps on giving! 😀
The cynic/realist in me thinks that when (if) these frames are delivered there are going to be stacks of quality control and warranty issues.
Can’t remember seeing a mention of actually going out to the manufacturers. First off products with no visits is an interesting move
To be honest I thought that was a reasonable explanation of where they are up to, and glad to see them coming on here and contributing.
But I haven't been waiting xxx months for a frame.
To be honest I thought that was a reasonable explanation of where they are up to, and glad to see them coming on here and contributing.
Was that them coming on here? I thought it was just somebody posting an update from elsewhere.
I've seen plenty of resonable explanation emails from suppliers and a lot like that one which blame everything and everybody else, while making vague commitments. That fall into the latter.