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Paul mentioned a one piece CSU to me when we were talking about my CSU warranty.
Rumour mill has it that Trek may be involved
Can't see how that would work.
Assuming that the bulk of Fox product in the UK is OEM, then sales would have been the icing on the cake for Mojo, majority of income would be servicing and warranty.. So, if Fox decide to take consumer sales in house, either direct or via shops, that's not a huge task- office, storage, laptop.
But taking warranty, and presumably authorised service agent status away from Mojo requires either setting up their own centre and training up staff, a costly and time consuming exercise, servicing in Europe, or replacing Mojo with another established outfit eg TFT.
If I was going to guess the reason I’d say Fox are cutting out the middle man and distributing themselves as they’ve just done in Germany.
This. Fox suspension having been floated on the stock market a while ago means that investors all want more, especially with the purchase of Marzocchi, Raceface and easton. Better in Fox's pocket than Mojo.
Also I don't see TF as a goer, if it was then it would mean them dropping every other brand they service.
Weren't Mojo on the verge of releasing a Dh fork years ago? It got canned cos' Fox brought the 40 out IIRC? I had a Mojo damper cartridge in a Boxxer years ago and remember it being excellent. It wouldn't be bad to see them do things like that again, they're obviously capable of it.
I once bumped into the mojo fella at FOD, he was ****in arrogant and rude.
Since I have fox stuff on my bike I'm chuffed fox are going elsewhere.
Weren't Mojo on the verge of releasing a Dh fork years ago? It got canned cos' Fox brought the 40 out IIRC? I had a Mojo damper cartridge in a Boxxer years ago and remember it being excellent. It wouldn't be bad to see them do things like that again, they're obviously capable of it.
Certainly seems like a good idea, Push make their own shock now, Vosprung are a TFT like service centre that make cool little tuning stuff. Rider like cool dampers and do-dah upgrades.
Yeah, I see Mojo going like PUSH to be honest - kicking out low volume British equivalents to the rather wonderful 11-6.
It'd be great to see TBH, we could ride bikes that are almost entirely made in the UK - save for the drivetrain, if Mojo pull it off.
Rider like cool dampers and do-dah upgrades.
This, love my ACS-3 kit, it's like jewellery compared to the mass produced stuff... would love to try an 11-6.
I once bumped into the mojo fella at FOD, he was **** arrogant and rude.
I've met Chris P a few times out riding, and he's always been golden last time was this summer on some sneaky Monmouth trails.
Also I don't see TF as a goer, if it was then it would mean them dropping every other brand they service.
If you ring up TF to book something in, they've pretty much solidly got a 3 week wait as it is already... They need to up their game to cope with their current workload way before thinking of taking on something like end to end distribution, service and warranty for a brand like Fox too!
I once bumped into the mojo fella at FOD, he was **** arrogant and rude.Since I have fox stuff on my bike I'm chuffed fox are going elsewhere.
That's just Porter though... He's always been a bit obnoxious. Nothing's ever changed I don't think, certainly it's not like it's news to Fox (who he's been representing in the UK for well over 15yrs now iirc) or anyone else!
fancypants - Member
I once bumped into the mojo fella at FOD, he was **** arrogant and rude.
Was that Chris Porter? I met him at 'Ard Rock, he'd clearly been speaking to people all day so was probably knackered! He was really nice and very approachable had loads of time for my daft questions so if it was him you met I had a totally different experience.
I once bumped into the mojo fella at FOD, he was **** arrogant and rude.Since I have fox stuff on my bike I'm chuffed fox are going elsewhere.
Chris Porter?
I have to admit I’ve met him twice and neither time I left the experience thinking “isn’t he a nice chap” but I wouldn’t judge anyone on first (or second) impressions.
CP knows his onions and has strong opinions which he's generally willing to share. However, I've found him willing to and seems to enjoy an intelligent discussion about them.
I can see how he can be taken the wrong way and I bet he's well aware of that. He's no ones fool, that's for sure.
Certainly don't think he deserves what's happened, and even less so, the folks who work for him.
I had a Mojo damper cartridge in a Boxxer years ago and remember it being excellent
Think you might have the rose tinted specs on, that damper was pretty rubbish. Adjusting the rebound also changed the compression. Run too much damping and it felt gritty as they told me “the oil runs over a self-tapper we’ve got in there”. There wasn’t enough low speed damping even for skinny folk like me. Oh, and they blew up all the time!
I have a theory as to what will happen.
CP liquidates all Fox stock, sells shell of Mojo to Fox to become Fox UK.
CP still retains Mojo name. Carries on selling Geometrons and working closely with fox but developing his own line of suspension.
Onzadog - Member
CP knows his onions and has strong opinions which he's generally willing to share. However, I've found him willing to and seems to enjoy an intelligent discussion about them.
I can see how he can be taken the wrong way and I bet he's well aware of that. He's no ones fool, that's for sure.
Certainly don't think he deserves what's happened, and even less so, the folks who work for him.
+1.
The lady on the phone at Mojo has the sexiest voice in the universe..
That would be Mel I believe and yes I agree!
Mel for the old school, all the new kids chat to Taya
i heard a rumour today that Trek were pissed at Mojo, threatened to not spec any Fox forks/shocks on bikes next year as a result unless Mojo was binned as the UK distributor and service agent.
Trek have form for this sort of bullying, buying up cool brands and eventually or deliberately binning them, Klein, Fisher, Bontrager etc, not to mention shitting on Greg Lemond because he called out Armstrong for doping and as a result ruining Greg lemond's bike brand.
i think it's shit for the guys at Mojo, i have dealt with them and always had good service and have spoken to CP a few times on the phone and he's always been good to get advice from and helpful.
it wouldn't surprise me to see Fox go to Madison as Fox have a development tie up with shimano and i'm sure Madison would love too get their hands on a saleable product unlike the DT forks they currently sell. That said the Winwave tie up via marzocchi also makes sense.
Well, people including Trek aren't likely to get better service with Madison lol. I hope we get the details, maybe we can then look at boycotting or generally abusing Trek.
I heard rumour this was due to Isla bikes influencing Fox somehow due to their strong position in the OEM fork market.
Trek aren't likely to get better service with Madison
not a bad conspiracy theory that one as Madison & Trek Uk are based next door to each other......
It would make sense for Fox to run their own UK /Europe distribution. They are certainly a big enough company to run it.
Well for those asking why Mojo are running stuff out at these prices, well nearly everything just sold itself with zero advertising and promotion, all it needs is some labels and postage chucking on and a big day for the courier over the next 2 days. Their bank account is able to pay off all their stock investment in under a week so they have cash or reduced debts for what comes next.
On the topic of Fox being floated on the stock market, it seems like things aren't so great over at Fox https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Fox-Racing-Shox/reviews
The stories coming out of the factory seem to tie in with what I was told by Mojo, that Fox are moving the last of their production and assembly to Asia. Corporate restructuring? Fox in trouble with their shareholders? Anyway, great ****ing move in terms of public confidence in your product Fox (if their marketing team are reading this thread).
I can't boycott trek (and specialized) any more than I already do so I hope it's not down to them (but it wouldn't surprise me).
I've been at this caper too ling. I can remember trek being new in the UK and people buying established brands over this new brand no one had heard of.
On the topic of Fox being floated on the stock market, it seems like things aren't so great over at Fox
Similar stories from CK I seem to recall, and Tesla, and many others (bike related) that I won't go into.
I doubt many people will remember this if the price gets a little sharper and service is as good, that is just how people's memory goes. It takes far too much effort to ignore a good deal... I was even close to considering a spec bike despite swearing I'd never touch the silly standards game they play.
Was it Intense that had the Hand made in USA stickers - about the time most of their Alu frames were snapping or out of shape? I'll take the best production for the price thanks.
A lot of stuff has turned from the USA to Asia and lost its mojo.
My Intense Hard Eddie just snapped and that was a fiasco in terms of time and delivery. Back in the Alu days that's wouldn't have been the case.
Turner for instance have never been quite the same since the Taiwan carbon jump.
It's very sad for Fox - as they were made in the US for a long while and such a great product - my current rear can is on 11000 miles with no service.
I think the bike industry is making big changes. I'm seeing lots of issues with warranties these days too.
So even though the move to Asia can be okay , I see things being squeezed to make more profit which given the price of stuff is very worrying.
i heard a rumour today that Trek were pissed at Mojo, threatened to not spec any Fox forks/shocks on bikes next year as a result unless Mojo was binned as the UK distributor and service agent.
So, Mojo did something which pissed Trek off so much, at such a high level, that they made the decision, probably a board level one, at short notice, to blackmail Fox into dropping their UK distributor in the little old UK.
Sounds unlikely when you put it like that, but when Trek decide they want to screw a little guy, they do seem to get behind it.
Funnily enough Manitou swapped to US production, the "budget" brand. I'm going to laugh if Fox have massive QC issues.
Maybe Manitou are going to end up the bling boutique brand.
Anyway these days, if Fox shits the bed we have alternatives like Ohlins and PUSH that I am sure the Santa Cruz and ENVE buying public will be happy to swap to. Manitou are popular these days as well.
They were on the phones at 4.30 this afternoon (I called and grabbed an X2 with a mod from 50 to 57 - it was theoretically the last one). I’ll see what turns up in the post.
I also grabbed one and want it to be changed to 57mm stroke. Did you have to pay any extra? I couldn't get through to them on the phone.
Maybe Manitou are going to end up the bling boutique brand.
They always used to be back in the nineties!
Sad news for the guys that work there - On the times I have dealt with them, it's always been excellent service backed up with knowledgeable people ready and willing to help us people who still don't really know how our suspension works
I also grabbed one and want it to be changed to 57mm stroke. Did you have to pay any extra? I couldn't get through to them on the phone.
They asked for a ‘small labour charge’ to remove the bottom spacer and up the travel from 50mm to 57mm (it is an identical shock). Total cost of £20 for the labour was quoted, which if fair given it’ll take about an hour to hunt it down, strip the bottom can out, rebuild, test and repack.
#Brexit innit
Shame the music never quite took off either 😥
Mojo - Lady
I’ll get my coat 😳
Seems very odd that Fox have no 'backup' plan in place they're prepared to announce.
There's a lot of forks under warranty out there that shops and bike distributors are now responsible for with no mechanism to service or replace them.
The lady on the phone at Mojo has the sexiest voice in the universe.
No. That is the lady at Patagonia's Paris corporate accounts. I used to have all the male instructors crammed in my office, phone on speaker, to hear the gorgeous Parisian Christine* speak....
"I have a theory as to what will happen.
CP liquidates all Fox stock, sells shell of Mojo to Fox to become Fox UK."
[i]This won't happen.[/i]
"CP still retains Mojo name. Carries on selling Geometrons" [i]this will happen[/i]
'and working closely with fox' [i]this won't happen[/i]
" but developing his own line of suspension."[i] this is likely to happen[/i]
either way it seems like a big move with not a lot of backup from Fox.
Worrying!
but developing his own line of suspension." this is likely to happen
Is that like his clutch less mechs?
Sorry but I tend to avoid buying people who believe they are always right. I want stuff they works for me.
Unless Chris has been beavering away in the background for a few years and has a team comparable to PUSH/FAST - then it's going to be a while before they can bring a shock or fork to market.
That is of course, unless they've hired out say, some of the chassis design work to a company like SR Suntour.
rone - Member
My Intense Hard Eddie just snapped and that was a fiasco in terms of time and delivery. Back in the Alu days that's wouldn't have been the case.
Back in the USA made Alu days it would've been welded squint and given never ending issues as a result of that instead.
Onzadog - MemberSounds unlikely when you put it like that, but when Trek decide they want to screw a little guy, they do seem to get behind it.
I would think its more likely that if Trek* were pissed off it was because they believed it was something that could be damaging to their own brand, not just a personal grudge
*not really believing it's got anything to do with Trek at the moment, because vague.