not going to help win the prize but Cav had a very eventful tour. After the Renshaw incident people wrote him off as a man who can only sprint with a good lead out train. Stage 18 he proved he could do it alone.
On the final stage in Paris (about 6min 30) he passed the other two like they were standing still.
Phenomenal at what he does but he wont get SPOTY because you have to be quite into cycling to appreciate what he does and follow the stories.
Surprising result!
Think the music re johnsons entrance is on the soundtrack to 28 days later too.
Next year when he wins the green jersey it will be his!
Just how hard is it to ride a horse really fast? How much is down to the horse and how much is down to the rider?
2 world championships (Track, Madison)
Maybe he should have stuck with track then. At least he won some races doing it.
[i]Maybe he should have stuck with track then. At least he won some races doing it. [/i]
Wins the prize for most ignorant post of the week, well done!
Think the music re johnsons entrance is on the soundtrack to 28 days later too.
Aah thanks that'll be where I recognise it from.
Maybe he should have stuck with track then. At least he won some races doing it.
Made me lol.
The horse should have won it.....oh well, the public have spoken. Im sure the next horse rider i see on my favorite piece of singltrack will have a sly little grin on there face... haha
Every stage of the tour is an individual race. I believe he's won a few of those.
They're stages of a single race. Hence the word "stage".
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Thank you!
Just how hard is it to ride a [s]horse[/s] bike really fast? How much is down to the [s]horse[/s] bike and how much is down to the rider?
He is a very successful jockey and a sportsman who has excelled in his chosen field. Maybe not my choice, but probably a worthy winner nonetheless.
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Besides, Cav hasn't given up on track anyway, he's going to be competing in 2012 I thought.
Coyote, you have to pedal to make a bike move. The horse does all the work (I'd assume), where the bike does nothing.
Just how hard is it to ride a horse really fast?
Very
But if everyone switched horses before a race, would the same guy still win? Or would the same horse still win?
Sorry... should have said every stage of the tour 'is like' an individual race. I'll go and do something more interesting now 😀
did not watch the awards............but one thing is certain.
cavandish will NEVER win the tour de france.
Kara won Strictly... that's all I care about.
Realman. You are obviously speaking from a position of ignorance. Go try horse racing; flat, jumps and steeplechase, and then feel free to comment on the skill and fitness involved.
The horse does all the work (I'd assume), where the bike does nothing.
Two riders of equal ability, one on a £100 supermarket special the other on a quality 6-8" full suspension bike. Who get's down Freight Train first?
You are obviously speaking from a position of ignorance.
Well duh, that's why I'm asking.
Well "duh", go try it. Then you'll know.
RealMan - Member
"But if everyone switched horses before a race, would the same guy still win? Or would the same horse still win?"
Total chaos would reign since none of the jockeys would know how to drive the horse they're on.
To get away from the philosophical debate that typically pervades on any STW thread...
The look on Cav's face after the decision....beaten by a beer swilling arrows thrower and a jockey. Can't say he'd be happy with that one!
billybob - Memberwhat was that music from as Michael Johnson just walked down the stairs?
Brian Eno. Apollo: Atmospheres and Soundtracks.
Track 5, An Ending (Ascent)
Yes it was used on Top Gear on the Aston Section when JC got all emotional.
[i]Brian Eno. Apollo: Atmospheres and Soundtracks.
Track 5, An Ending (Ascent)[/i]
Also used to good effect in [i]Traffic[/i].
Top tune.
backhander - Member
They're stages of a single race. Hence the word "stage".
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Sadly this is probably the view of the general public. Have a quick look at this link and the subsiquent second part: [url=
That should at least give an impression of the kind of achievement winning a large race like Milan-San Remo is.
Iain
did not watch the awards............but one thing is certain.
cavandish will NEVER win the SPOTY
FTFY
In his own little niche specialism of a niche sport he's very good.
A niche sport which has the largest annual sporting event. A niche specialism which resulted in him standing on the podium at that event more than all but one or two other riders.
Apparently, it is Eno's "An Ascent"
This is a really lovely piece of music. Also they used John Murphy's 'In the house, in a heartbeat' from 28 days later (my lad loves this and has plays an arrangement of it on piano and another on guitar - he is very talented but ahem, this is an aside from my barbed critique).
It's cringingly awful watching the BBC attempt to pull off a grand production where each section is given the Hollywood trailer treatment. It's always going to fall down when sports people speak but it really isn't their fault. I'd be terrified of being interviewed on live TV.
[i]Maybe he should have stuck with track then. At least he won some races doing it.
Wins the prize for most ignorant post of the week, well done! [/i]
I suspect this is deliberate. You know lots of people on here don't like Cav, or at least don't like the fact that lots of people do like him.
He'll be the greatest sprinter on the planet, ever, shortly (based on lifetime sprint wins), and you'll still see people posting stuff like that. Cav may not ever be the sports personality of the year but he already is one the world greatest sportsmen.
I publicly call MaCa a gobby scouser, but I quite like him - even if he's had to rip up the personal stuff in his autobiography due to later emerging events.
samuri - Memberbut he already is one the world greatest sportsmen.
Utter balls
If cycling on a road was the only sport on the planet you could be right. But it's not.
People mock the darts players, jockeys etc as there is a perceived lack of athleticism involved in these 'sports'. As pointed out above, there is a huge amount of skill required - not something a road cyclist requires. Cav may be a great athlete, but he's far from a sportsman.
Philippe Gilbert won the belgium sports personality of the year for the second year running this year, says a lot about two different countries attitudes to cycling.
there is a huge amount of skill required - not something a road cyclist requires
So when cav is sprinting in a bunch of twenty people at 45mph, all of them fighting for space that isn't there he's not using any skill? When his team get him to the front time after time it's luck is it?
The ignorance about road cycling on this forum is amazing
[i]there is a huge amount of skill required - not something a road cyclist requires.[/i]
Utter balls. You have no idea what you're talking about.
i have no real appreciation of horse racing, but i think the jockey is one tough character. i read about his injuries and he's earned my respect for that alone never mind his achievements.
cavendish is outstanding, fit fearless and skillful. i'd like to see him win it one day, maybe he will in future.
The ignorance about road cycling on this forum is amazing
+1 But not entirely surprising.
The ignorance [s]about road cycling[/s] on this forum is amazing
Obviously this being a cycling forum some touchy folk will get defensive. But in relation to many sports, dodging another cyclist while moving is child's play. Tactics and guile are not really a skill.
On a more serious note, you'd of thought Beckham could have had a shave and washed his hair for the occasion. edit (looks in the mirror and takes that back) 😳
Euro - Member
samuri - Member
but he already is one the world greatest sportsmen.Utter balls
If cycling on a road was the only sport on the planet you could be right. But it's not.
People mock the darts players, jockeys etc as there is a perceived lack of athleticism involved in these 'sports'. As pointed out above, there is a huge amount of skill required - not something a road cyclist requires. Cav may be a great athlete, but he's far from a sportsman.
As sport is "an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition" I'd argue that Cav is a great sportsman and as he has been a world champion he must therefore be one of the best sportsmen in the world. If the competition was the most successful competitor the darts player would have to win, 15 world championships is an amazing feat. However going back to the definition above I am firmly of the opinion that Darts is a competition/game (akin to chess) rather than a sport, especially as Phil Taylor would be beaten by the average person in almost any physical activity. People who think being a jockey requires no athletic prowess are just being ignorant.
Iain
I didn't see a round up of any other British sucess on there this year. I know Steve Peat got a mention last year, but nothing for Gee being World Cup champion I guess. I know its far more niche than Cav, but a little recognition wouldn't hurt would it?
I saw him in Portsmouth and thought he was rather nice. It was a triumph of content over style; he was a pleasant man telling an amazing story in a simple way. If he'd tried to zing it up with P.R. media studies presentation type crap, the decency of his character would have been lost.
Kindly ignore the above; I was thinking of Mark Beaumont. 😳
[i]Sportsman - a person who exhibits qualities especially esteemed in those who engage in sports, as fairness, courtesy, good temper, etc.[/i]
Not qualities i'd associate with Mark Cavendish.
Is it sportsman of the year award, or sports [b]personaliy[/b] of the year award?
That Mark Cavendish is he the one that does very well in the biggest annual sporting event of the year?
