[Closed] Long slack 27.5 hardtail frame that's reasonably light? Accept 160mm forks

Bit lighter, though I'd prefer to get a Soul and change the travel on the fork...

https://www.bird.bike/product/zero-am-frameset/

I was going to say the new Zero AM too.

Cheers, don't really like them... they seem a bit "Taiwanese bike book"

I agree FWIW, not the Taiwanese thing but not a fan of the look of chunky alu HTs generally.

Can you get the new Nukeproof Scout 275 in frame only? Elliot Heap seems to put a 170mm Lyrik on his so I can't see why 160mm would be an issue.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/scoutin-about-nukeproof-video-2017.html

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1580g in a M

https://www.stantonbikes.com/product/switchback-631-next-gen/

http://dartmoor-bikes.com/hardware/enduro-trail/primal-275-0

But:
Max. tire size: 27.5x2.4" (see spec)
is not correct. Fits max 27.5x2.3"

160 mm fork o.k.
Quality is fine. Price very low. Weight is o.k..

Personally like the Dartmoor Hornet downhill hardtail. Heavy so and really only for downhill use...

Primal 27.5 an "o.k. bike". Nothing special.
If you have used 27.5 inch parts a good way of getting a "new" bike.

I ride my hornet everywhere - the frame is a little heavy, but only about 1.5lbs more than that liteville, so can still be built into a lightish bike if desired..

If your pockets are deep enough, a Ti Switchback? Mine was pretty light even wit Yari's up front.

If a Kingdom Ti frame takes your fancy, talk to [url= https://www.reallygoodbikes.co.uk/ ]Adam.[/url]

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Mmm very nice!
Maybe one of those moxies?

my old post:

Personally like the Dartmoor Hornet downhill hardtail. Heavy so and really only for downhill use...

post from 5lab:

I ride my hornet everywhere

Thinking about it... - yes - if hardtail frame from Dartmoor then the Hornet:
http://dartmoor-bikes.com/hardware/enduro-trail/hornet-1

Although:

but only about 1.5lbs more than that liteville

Guess the Liteville HT frame is three times the Hornet price?

Liteville: does the HT Liteville fit 160 mm forks?

Fits suspension forks from 100 to 160 mm travel

Is there some mechanism to compensate for the change in BB height? It's gonna be compromised somewhere surely?

PP shan?

Not particularly lightweight though

PP shan?

Great, great (downhill?) bike!
The perfect HT for a 160 mm fork...

Same high price tag like Liteville HT frame?

But if I had the money and had to choose between a Liteville HT aluminium frame and a Shan steel frame I would go for the Shan.

I'm after a new HT frame. I think Airdrop have something in the pipeline so I'm holding off to see what that is.

Shan is heavy, Dartmoor is a bit "Taiwanese bike book" like the Birds imho.

That kingdom is stunning but way over budget, I'm thinking £600 tops really.

I'll have a look at Stanton, aren't they usually a bit short? I've not looked at one in a long while.

Will check out Liteville too, thanks!

As I said in another thread, if you want something like a BFe but lighter it'll need to be alloy, titanium or carbon.

If your pockets are deep enough, a Ti Switchback?

Sorry quick highjack/shameless plug. Probably selling my Mk1 frame as my back has gone again.

Stanton Switchback comes in a regular and long version, you've not mentioned your height but some stats are:

18" Regular Switchback - 425mm reach / 578mm Actual top tube
18" Long Switchback - 444mm reach / 600mm Actual top tube

Frames do cost £699 though

EDIT: If website info is to be believed the Switchback is a little heavier than the Shan

Mine is a 16.5" MK1, so no long versions. It's Ti so 3.8lbs.

I have not read the other suggestions,but definitely look at the Pipedream moxie.

That pipedream looks great, does any one run one with 650 wheels and 2.4 or 2.5 tyres?
Thanks

Steveh the pipedream isnt available just yet hopefully by end of January though.
But yes you will be able to run 2.4/2.5 tyres easily as it’s made to run plus tyres up to 2.8.
It has sliding drop outs so you can fine tune it for normal,plus 27.5 wheels and also 29ers to.

I have the same fork and went for a Ragley Mmmbop. Long and slack with great geometry.

Long and slack you say?

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+1 for the Mmmbop. Absolutely love mine. So much fun. Slack and long, very competent going up or down. Also light. Tough to get hold of, Ragley sold through rapidly.

Wanted to order a Mmmbop.

But it's sold out.

Got a message from Andy (Ragley) that they redesign the Mmmbop right now and Andy hopes to have new frames available late spring or summer 2018.

Means patience! I will try to get the Mmmbop as winter project 2018/2019...

Had a Bluepig for a bit, didn’t like it much. Heavy and dead. I wonder what they have in mind for next years mmmbop?

Morf since no one else has said it

Isn't the Morf designed for 130mm forks?

I built a friend an NS Eccentric Alu. Looks lovely, ride well. Also hard to source!

[url= https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ENex-9EtDOUiBo4s1iizTh1RJ7qAMUER/view?usp=drivesdk ]mmmbop[/url]

[url= https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BZti8JKuIZLsyDddYx7m-AGjRR4esP-4/view?usp=drivesdk ]Eccentric[/url]

Above two guandax-posts Mmmbop and Eccentric:
neat bikes!

The Mmmbop with the mudhugger front and rear looks like a real work-horse...

Fun.

Mondraker vantage.

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Super fun slack stable bike.

Mondraker vantage:

Super fun slack stable bike.

Older post from guandax:

Had a Bluepig for a bit, didn’t like it much. Heavy and dead. I wonder what they have in mind for next years mmmbop?

Update Mmmbop: Andy from Ragley didn't explain what exactly they plan to change - he only informed me about the schedule.

Bluepig:

heavy and dead

Batman11 - what does it do to B.B. height? Looking at the numbers would be very low with stock 27.5 wheels?

Mondraker Vantages are great bikes, and they have the benefit of having a +size version too - but they are NOT light!
I suggest the Sonder Transmitter.
Read Bike Radar's 5* review.
Long, slack, available in alloy or carbon, and not expensive.
Can take a 160mm fork.

I think the Sonder is great but optimised for 140mm so at 160mm you end up with 64/72 deg. EDIT : actually it's optimised for 130mm so even worse.

I would suggest a 2018 Commencal Meta HT:

- optimised for 160mm
- 148mm boost/+
- light(ish)
- internal routing for all cables/hose
- 65deg / 74deg are great numbers at 160mm travel IME

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Commencal Meta HT

Good pick!
Some really hate Commencal - I don't know why.

I think they are really good in aluminium bikes.
And all the reviews I remember of the Meta HT: a blast!

Pic of my Mondraker Vantage with 160mm Yari forks - awesome bike (wish I hadn't sold it now!!!!)

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