Apart from all travel non essential travel being banned?
Sounds like you are mixing up the advice. Here is the guide to staying at home and away from others: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others which says what you can do. Here is the guide to essential travel, which is a totally different issue: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-essential-travel-guidance
The applicable bit in the first guide is probably "you should be minimising time spent outside of the home". Arguably driving a short distance to an area where it is easier to get away other people fulfils this, but also you could say the driving bit adds time to the whole activity. You need to use your own judgement, but it isn't black and white
Is there a bit in there about minimising time spent having non-essential arguments on the Internet? 🙂
This crisis has really highlighted people's inability to deal with any non-binary decision.
Either to make one themselves, or to understand that different people in slightly different circumstances might make a different decisions.
Turns out the UK is more ready for a dictatorial regime than I realised
Is there a bit in there about minimising time spent having non-essential arguments on the Internet?
It'll only become nonessential when everyone and everything on the internet is correct. I think we are nearly there 😛
It’ll only become nonessential when everyone and everything on the internet is correct. I think we are nearly there
Except in that transport of bicycle is not essential travel.
It works just as well on the road outside your house for your daily exercise.
I rode an early morning loop on the roads I usually commute on and actually saw other cyclists for a change.
Except in that transport of bicycle is not essential travel.
It works just as well on the road outside your house for your daily exercise.
Wow! How far are you away from the point of the post that you quoted!? It was a tongue in cheek response to Bez's tongue in cheek response about arguing on the internet. Unless your response is ironic, cryptic humour, in which case well played!
Unless your response is ironic, cryptic humour, in which case well played!
Ah, the classic back-stop ploy, just in case 🙂
Unless you were joking of course.
i am lucky enough to be able to ride from my door, i just have to negotiate a few roads before i am on the hill, less than 2 miles spin.
I decided to ride with the dog yesterday to kill 2 birds and only leave home once - but as such i drove those 2 miles. only occurred to me i was probably not conforming afterwards.
For anyone wondering about driving to ride, this is what Derbyshire Police has just posted on FB. Apparently they were visiting Peak District carparks yesterday and telling folk basically to go home and walk from their own front door.
Derbyshire Constabulary
35 mins ·
What a lovely day! The perfect day to drive up into the Peak District for a walk, bike ride, climb or horse ride, isn’t it?No, actually it isn’t.
We’re seeing a lot of confusion over whether people are allowed to travel to the Peaks to undertake daily exercise while the government are asking us to stay at home. While we have this fantastic space in our county, right now is not the time to be using it.
Daily exercise should be taken locally to your home. Under government guidance all travel is limited to essential travel only. This is to help ensure that our emergency services aren’t put under even more pressure during this time.Should you trip, fall or have a road traffic accident while you are travelling to, or are out in the Peaks, then this will add additional pressure to an already stretched service.
The safety and wellbeing of you, the residents of our beautiful county, is our priority and these measures are being put in place to ensure that you are kept safe.
If you need advice on how to look after your wellbeing at home during this time visit https://www.gov.uk/…/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-w….
For more guidance on the current government guidelines, please visit https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus.
Daily exercise should be taken locally to your home. Under government guidance all travel is limited to essential travel only. This is to help ensure that our emergency services aren’t put under even more pressure during this time.
still doesn't explicitly state no driving to exercise, this is why it needs to specified all the vague ambiguous waffle needs to stop. They need to state exactly what you can and can't do and how long you can do it for.
I suppose as long as you are pottering along at 3mph, enjoying the rare sun and the wind in your hair(should there be any left)
Blasting about you risk falling and injury, which a local hospital/paramedic, possibly aircrew then have to deal with along with contamination risks.
If you live in the country I expect its a requirement, but to go out with this virus going on you might just open yourself up to criticism from locals or such.
And rural folk own shotguns 😯
Are we allowed to use time travel to get somewhere to ride?
Car parks full of people driving out for walks and rides will result in new rules banning all riding, and walks more than 50 metres from your own home. As has had to happen in countries we are only a week or two behind. Take the piss in this way and we’ll all be hit by the more stringent measures you will push the government to take.
That's what would worry me.
Go for a ride = fine
Get in the car to go somewhere slightly less populated = probably pushing it as you're potentially spreading it in/out of your area, but probably fine if you don't take the piss.
The MTB'ing population of the SE converging on Peaslake in their T6's, Edinburgh and Newcastle decamping to Glentress en mass in Transit Customs and the M4 corridor bombing over the Severn bridge to Afan in their VAG estates all to get their Boris given entitlement to some "exercise".............. = probably going to result in stricter rules.
The trouble is, individually none of those people will think they've done anything wrong. It'll just be the other 99.9% acting irresponsibly and having the same idea as them. Some might argue they always ride there, therefore it's their normal exercise, others will argue they needed a change of scenery and the locals should have shown consideration and stayed at home for the day.
Are we allowed to use time travel to get somewhere to ride?
Oh yeah, great idea. Take the bloody virus forward into the future or back to the past. I'm pretty sure that one of the government guidelines says something about this. Hang on.. yeah, it's classed as 'non-essential travel' by default. But really, common sense says don't.
It’ll only become nonessential when everyone and everything on the internet is correct. I think we are nearly there
Everyone has the correct answer.
It's just that all the correct answers are different... 🤣
just got back from a short road pottle, it's no different today to any other wednesday lunch time traffic wise.
Daily exercise should be taken locally to your home. Under government guidance all travel is limited to essential travel only. This is to help ensure that our emergency services aren’t put under even more pressure during this time.
still doesn’t explicitly state no driving to exercise, this is why it needs to specified all the vague ambiguous waffle needs to stop. They need to state exactly what you can and can’t do and how long you can do it for.
We're still in the stage where many things are should not must. If people don't think a bit those shoulds will become musts.
just got back from a short road pottle, it’s no different today to any other wednesday lunch time traffic wise.
Round here the M4 is almost silent, as is the A33, I can normally hear both from my garden.
The back roads do seem quite normal though, but I think that's just in my head seeing one or two cars overtake and thinking it's busy. I'm looking out the window and have barely seen a car all day.
Loads of families out walking and riding though which is perhaps a nicer consequence of all this.
Ironically, the current nice weather isn't helping as so many people are keen to get out.
If it was still pissing down it may be a different story
If it was still pissing down it may be a different story
It *is* raining up here. Still the area within 2km of Dunblane is packed, all things relative, with people. On a 12km bike ride or run up Kilbryde castle lane I would usually meet 1 other person, maybe someone in thier garden. First 2km today = 9 people.
Just back from 30km round Rothiemurchus and Glenmore on the SS Onion. Once outside Aviemore I saw one cyclist and one walker on the way to Glenmore and a family of four at the CC footbridge. That was it. Town is very quiet. A few folk are obviously still driving to Loch Morlich for dog walking but I guess this spreads them out a bit rather than all using the paths nearer the town..
Incredibly quiet/silent though. Spookily so. Partly due to atmospherics - low cloud, no wind - but lack of people, vehicles and forest activity are obviously a factor.
Surely it's only ambiguous if you're looking for a way to justify it to yourself. How can driving somewhere to go for a walk or bike ride be seen as essential if you've got any common sense. I'll be going out for a local night ride and hopefully won't see anyone. Once I've found my lights.
Pleasant 22km out of the door at 07:30, minor lanes to check out the farm shops are still open. Bought the last STW Timber Bell when I got back so I can let people know I'm approaching if they're out walking.
Surely it’s only ambiguous if you’re looking for a way to justify it to yourself.
And there's the rub. That really is the crux of the issue. A lot of people's MO is to basically look for loopholes to get around stuff.
One thing you can always find if you try hard enough is ambiguity.
The government, for all their sins (myriad) and failings (too many to mention) are having to implement changes that would be unthinkable normally. The T's and C's at the bottom of your vacuum cleaner warranty probably had more time spent on them than these society-wide measures.
I posted this this morning in the Ukgravelcollective channels. People driving to places to ride are taking the mick imo. Just ride locally or around the block 100 times and be thankful you can even do that.
Surely it’s only ambiguous if you’re looking for a way to justify it to yourself.
But it doesnt say I cant go on a tandem skydive over international waters wearing a batsuit and glide back into the country as long as we detach before we enter the uk and parachute down the last bit seperately before riding home?
That should be within the rules surely?
Surely it’s only ambiguous if you’re looking for a way to justify it to yourself.
Ambiguous enough for yesterdays bbc lunch time news to report that it was perfectly acceptable to drive somewhere for exercise. All they have to do is state in the advice exercise from your own door only and for x mins max. And again I don't own a car so I'm not looking to justify anything.
It really is quite amazing that some people's first reaction is to go over the rules looking for inconsistencies so they can justify doing what they want to do, rather than they what they probably know they actually should do.
Local sailing club watsapp group is discussing going for a sail as its not been banned and apparently a load of people vaguely socially distancing arround the boat park, changing rooms, toilets etc is OK because youre allowed to drive there potentially bringing you into contact with people from all over the county.
One of the protagonists is GP and really should know better.
Go down quietly on your own, and have a blast arround the lake, and at your own risk, dont encourage a flipin group of others to turn up.
Local sailing club watsapp group is discussing going for a sail as its not been banned
I thought that only walking, running and cycling were allowed?
I went for a 10 minute walk over the chase at lunchtime today, saw a couple of walkers but didn’t get within 20m of anyone.
The weather is too nice, I’m really tempted to go for a little poodle before work tomorrow, I’ve not been on my mtb this year yet.
I’ll have to see what the rest of the day brings.
I’m really tempted to go for a little poodle before work tomorrow,
It might help with loneliness but I'd advise something larger if it's your back-up food plan.
It really is quite amazing that some people’s first reaction is to go over the rules looking for inconsistencies so they can justify doing what they want to do, rather than they what they probably know they actually should do.
Yep, don’t get it, it’s not a fk9ng extended bank holiday.
I’ve not left the house and garden since last Tuesday so thought I’d get some exercise in. Figured a pootle along the canal on my new bike to check setup was in order. It’s normally deserted bar the occasional dog walker or bloke fishing at this time of day.
Rammed with people! None of them giving each other any distance whatsoever and most of them were old folk. I just rode a small stretch between two access points and came back home. Never seen so many folk on one small stretch and I normally walk or ride home from work every day when not working from home.
Looks like people took advice seriously for one whole day!
Just back from a little one hour road ride from home. Not masses of folk about but I don't live in a tourist hot spot. A couple of families with tiny kids out cycling which struck me as the best way to get them out for a bit of fresh air and exercise without all piling into the car to "go somewhere nice".
Of course it's lovely to get out into some prime biking territory but for now I'll make do with short loops from my urban front door. Until the idiots highlighted by Derbyshire Police screw things up for everyone. The FB post mentioned by BadlyWiredDog is here:
I thought that only walking, running and cycling were allowed?
"One form of exercise a day - for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household;"
One of those things that's "ambiguous" / "being a dick" depending on which side of the fence you are. Not banned, done sensibly it's far more 'isolated' than probably anything else. But OTOH Golf courses were apparently ordered to close, and it'd be hard to argue there's a significant difference in risk.
Ah - missed the "for example" bit. Ah well, packraft tomorrow then while the snow is still melting! Not sure how I get back upstream though, unless I wait out all night before walking back 😉
15km, mostly on canal paths and bumpy tracks.
Hardly any cars around which was great. More people out than - but then it's been wet, grey, and miserable for months. The people were running, walking, or cycling - some with kids. Everyone was keeping their distance from others, they all seem to be obeying the rules.
My mum says she went for a short walk and met her friend at a churchyard. There are two benches there a few metres apart, so they sat on the benches for 20 minutes to chat. I'm not sure if that's strictly within the rules, but they're both widows in their 80s and need some sort of social contact.
I combined my ride with a shop, I wanted some fruit and juice. There's still no pasta on the shelves, which amazes me - surely everyone has all the pasta they need for the moment? How many packets are some people hoarding? 100s?
Well the Brecon Beacons National Park Authority have just officially shut down the whole park (just about), including the canal towpath. This will upset a huge number of people for sure. Proably see the same happen in all the other national parks too.
https://www.breconbeacons.org/coronavirus-covid-19
Oh bugger!
I've been doing a steady 20-25 miles local to me each evening on the CX. Mix of quiet lanes and gravel tracks. A few people out this evening - it was stunning weather - but everyone was keeping their distance. One obviously family group, everyone else in ones and twos.
Might try a slightly longer ride at the weekend, just need to work out a route that avoids the main honeypot areas. Hopefully, with most pubs, cafes etc being closed and the Peak District National Park closing most of their car parks, it should be fairly quiet... (famous last words...)
It really is quite amazing that some people’s first reaction is to go over the rules looking for inconsistencies so they can justify doing what they want to do, rather than they what they probably know they actually should do.
I have been sticking to the rules pretty closely, I take this seriously - however I don't believe a solo 2hr road ride is actually risking anything. Do you think it is?
only passed about 5 people in a 2 and half hour MTB ride this afternoon, only one that was a bit closer than the 2m was when a woman walking her dog held a gate open for me.
was great to be wearing shorts and short sleves and still feel a bit to warm.
also as i was taking it a little bit slower on the downhills managed to spot a couple of newish built trails in the local woods which look worth investigating next ride out.
Just about surviving on the turbo. Utterly fed up.
Cycling here is permitted to your work (except mine is non-essential) or to your nearest shop or pharmacy (mine are about 50 metres away). Running banned outright.
What I wouldn't give just to be allow to trot around the block.
Two more weeks, at least, to go.
