Again, it's not really demonstrated by the results. Course can get better over time as well as worse.
Sure. But if we are talking about a sudden change (ie, sudden downpour or berm blowout) then a deterioration is far more likely than an improvement.
Wind can obviously go either way, but for everything else (like the track drying out or perhaps a new line becoming feasible) it's going to be something that happens over many runs.
I never really understood before why World Champs start order is determined by World Cup standing rather than qualifying time but I guess it's an acknowledgment that the World Cup standings are a good proxy for a rider's likelihood to win. For a high stakes one off race you wouldn't want to risk it being decided based on who had the worst qualifying day.
The more I think about it the more I'm struggling to see any advantages of the start order being time based (well, not entirely time based as Q1Q2 is going to jumble the order up a bit). Â
The sport is what it is and any one of the top 30 could easily hit the top 5...Â
That's exactly my point. It's no longer 80 riders the majority of whom have basically no chance of getting on the podium. With 30 riders anyone could podium.
Therefore why not ensure the top guys in the overall are racing in the most similar conditions possible?
The problem i see is, if you look at race 1, how do you decide who's 'worthy' of being in the 'close to the last ones down'.
Either base it on last years results for the first race or just go by qualifying time for the first race?
OK, maybe we can look at this in a different way. What are the advantages of basing the start order on quali time* other than it's just the way it's always been done?
*Or rather, partially basing the start order on quali times as the Q1Q2 format means it's not entirely based on quali time.
I honestly can't comprehend your point... they ARE... if they've made finals there's only 60 mins between the first/last, maybe 90 mins. How close do you want it ?Â
What happens if it rains half way through that and your guy who was 3rd down has been put to 3rd last (Bruni for example) and now loses all chance of the win because you've move him 26 places further up the order because of his rank.
I don't see how your system is any better honestly.
What happens if it rains half way through that and your guy who was 3rd down has been put to 3rd last (Bruni for example) and now loses all chance of the win because you've move him 26 places further up the order because of his rank.
I'm not sure I understand here. You're saying that Bruni missed out on Q1 for some reason and came third last in Q2 so he's third rider down the mountain?
IF it rained half way through then it would be a very boring second half of the race because Bruni is obviously going to win (and he'l massively extend his lead in the overall).
If Bruni qualified 3rd last for whatever reason but was still last one down the mountain then he wouldn't win but he'd be in the same boat as Pierron, Williams, Vergier, etc. Whoever was fastest before the rain came down would most likely win.
Maybe we're talking about completely different things here because now I don't really understand what you're saying.
What happens if it rains half way through that and your guy who was 3rd down has been put to 3rd last (Bruni for example) and now loses all chance of the win because you've move him 26 places further up the order because of his rank.
I'm not sure I understand here. You're saying that Bruni missed out on Q1 for some reason and came third last in Q2 so he's third rider down the mountain?
IF it rained half way through then it would be a very boring second half of the race because Bruni is obviously going to win (and he'l massively extend his lead in the overall).
If Bruni qualified 3rd last for whatever reason but was still last one down the mountain then he wouldn't win but he'd be in the same boat as Pierron, Williams, Vergier, etc. Whoever was fastest before the rain came down would most likely win.
Maybe we're talking about completely different things here because now I don't really understand what you're saying.
You almost got it..Â
In your scenario, he never came down 3rd... he came down 2nd last or even last due to being ranked #1... So he didn't get the win and actually finished 17th as loads got dry conditions.
He's going to be proper unhappy about that surely ?
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In your scenario, he never came down 3rd... he came down 2nd last or even last due to being ranked #1... So he didn't get the win and actually finished 17th as loads got dry conditions.
He's going to be proper unhappy about that surely ?
Yes, but as you say, it's just racing.
I'd imagine Pierron, Vergier, and Williams (who in this hypothetical scenario qualified 1st, 2nd, and 3rd) would be more pissed off if Bruni won and extended his series lead just because he crashed in Q1 and it pissed down halfway through the race.
I'd rather see a relatively unknown rider get their first win with the series leaders finishing mid pack. Especially if it didn't affect the overall.
