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and if its broken he may not ride the Giro.
😥
He has, should recover in time for Giro.
FFS
Cav wins a major classic at the weekend, virtually nothing on the news.
Lance Hasbeen breaks his collar bone it makes the headlines!
What a sad indictment on cycling in this country.
No head injury though. Undoubtedly his helmet saved him.
🙂
Shall we have a whip round?
He needs to mtfu.
Lance Armstrong crashed during the first stage of Spain's Vuelta Castilla y Leon Monday. He was taken to a hospital, where it was confirmed that broke his right collarbone.
Armstrong was involved in a pile-up with other riders on the 168.3-km course between Paredes de Nava and Baltanas.
A Twitter update from Johan Bruyneel, the manager of Astana (who was not at the race), said: "Clean collarbone fracture without complications. Should be fast recovery ..."
Armstrong, who hadn't raced in Spain for five years, entered the ambulance trying to hold his right arm. He was treated at the Rio Carrion hospital in Palencia.
Lance armstrong breaks his collar bone my arse
[b]Sharki was there first[/b]
Cav who? 😈
Who is Cav? Lance is where its at.
If he gets it pinned - he should recover quickish
mate has had his pinned,he is fit and fast,been told three months of the bike.
mate has had his pinned,he is fit and fast,been told three months of the bike
wimps these cyclists
Back when I was young & stupid I broke my collar bone in a race at Cadwell Park, 2 weeks later I raced at Mallory
Plenty of duct tape & some foam - job's a good 'un 😀
Who is Cav? Lance is where its at.
Mark Cavendish is the youngest winner of the Milan-SanRemo since Eddy Merckx in 1966, and not many have done it on their debut, plus, he's British ...one of the fastest sprinters out there. Worth celebrating.
Lance Armstrong is someone who's ridden and won the Tour de France some 7 times, excluding himself from riding the other major tours in order to maximize his chances of winning the most famous one - whilst many rivals are riding major tours back to back. His prerogative I suppose.
He also claims he's never doped because (short version here) he's the 'most tested cyclist ever' and has 'never failed a test', so therefore we are all to assume he's 'clean as a whistle' on that basis, (even though the EPO tests etc are in no way rock solid??) ...and he won time and time again against people using the best doping techniques out there cos he's just so much better? ...they couldn't even beat him with the advantage of doping?
Plus... other teammates who have ridden with him (and contributed to him winning) on some of those tour wins have admitted to doping but didn't fail tests either. Doesn't seem right somehow?
I have absolutely no doubt that Lance Armstrong is one hell of a talent, but there are doubts about him aside from that.
There, someone's said it, on your marks... unleash hell...
Do you think that Contador is having a beer tonight?
Gotta be. All said I do hope he's back for the Giro, it will be interesting to see how he does although the media will go completely over the top with the 'lance' coverage of course.
Because he didnt ride every tour allowing his body to rest and mend naturally, maybe he didnt take drugs? That would make sense right?
Why not support Cav instead?
ok Come on the Cav!
Can he do hills yet?
Well the best preparation to win the Tour can't be to go flat out through every other Tour and race leading up to it, I think that's a simple one. But, I don't know, doping is one hell of a performance advantage, its well documented, if it wasn't why would so many professionals risk doing it?
Controversially maybe, I'd put my money that he doped along with a hell of a lot of others, but that's quite a common opinion. I think he's pulled the wool over the laypersons eyes with what he chooses to say and not to say. Has anyone heard him address the simple question that 'if doping enhances performance so much, how did you beat everyone who did dope for 7 years of tours? ...you really are saying you're just exceptionally better than all the other professionals out there (who did dope) then?'. There's so much science behind it all the arguments could go on forever but the above is the question that bugs me.
Oh... I'm totally in support of Cavendish, it would be fantastic to see him challenging for the green jersey in this year's tour de france.
Are all of the other top boys on drugs then or just the journey men and foot soldiers?
Not a simple answer. Do a quick search about, you'll find enough information and news articles to paint an uncomfortable picture. Cycling is certainly stacks cleaner than a few years ago it seems when we had whole teams taking part in organised doping.
Its a great shame of a fantastic and inspiring sport. The atheletes are certainly incredible, doped or not.
Thankfully better tests are continually developed but then again so are doping and doping masking techniques.
Oh... and I'm saying it seems circumstantially that Lance probably did, but the next person will say he didn't, but who knows, it just doesn't all seem to add up. The 'never tested positive' doesn't mean a lot, that's for sure.
I know, it was terrible, it was all the rage. I just wanted your opinion are the best riders clean and the average riders taking drugs? Thats normally how it works, those with no chance of winning naturally will be taking the risks!
Cav on hills? look at Milan Sanremo.
Well, one example... just one of loads...
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3029089
...and... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/6686943.stm
Anyone think Cav will get the Green this year then? ...is it too early for him, does he have the maturity to do it? I think he's worth a bet
I think{cav} won't get to the mountains, team will pull him.
After a couple of stage wins in the flat!
Im just not buying into Lance being a doper AT ALL. And there are lots of reasons why but Ill mention just one: Exceptionally talented physical specimens do exist - Sir Steven Redgrave, won 5 gold medals - the last at the age of 40 & he was a diabetic..It can be done! Have a little faith & give the sometimes obnoxious & abrasive Texan a brake, maybe he really is just that good..
As for Cav - that boy is fearsomely fast!
[i]I think{cav} won't get to the mountains, team will pull him.
After a couple of stage wins in the flat! [/i]
No chance. Not after last year and the form he's in this year. He'll be going all out for Green in Paris.
[i]Im just not buying into Lance being a doper AT ALL. And there are lots of reasons why but Ill mention just one: [/i]
I'm not buying into Lance not being a doper AT ALL. And there are lots of reasons why but I'll mention just one: he's won the Tour de France.
You cant just remember Lance for the victories, he is/was a superb time trialist and climber and world champion.
Cavs victories have me jumping about, but they don't match the awe of Lances 'moments' in the mountains.
That said I'll be urging Cav into green this year.
Why shouyld this stop him? I remember Tyler Hamilton riding the Tour with a broken collar bone.
Mind you he was probably full to the brim in Tugboat transfusions and couldn't feel a thing...
EPO test is something to do with haemoglobin levels in the blood, over 50 and your out, so if all you had to do is train for one race then peaking your cardio fitness for that race wouln't be that hard, so as long as he gets his training tight why use EPO.
Ditto steroids, they mask pain thereby helping you train more, but if your able to eliminate competition from your training then you could be more specific and avoid the need for steroids as well?
Lance was winning races as a kid, so maybe he's just geneticaly faster?
Lance was winning races as a kid, so maybe he's just geneticaly faster?
Well, Lance could well be yes. In fact he has to be doesn't he if he always has won all those dirty-years Tours AND been clean and, there's no doubt he's exceptional as an athelete, I'd never argue that. He might well be 'genetically faster'.
Another point on....
EPO test is something to do with haemoglobin levels in the blood, over 50 and your out, so if all you had to do is train for one race then peaking your cardio fitness for that race wouln't be that hard, so as long as he gets his training tight why use EPO.
...well, haemocrit 50% levels are fine to talk about (and the higher the red blood cell count in simplicity the more efficient the blood at carrying oxygen, which is carried by the Haemoglobin in them), but you don't find that the more you train the higher your levels get and if you train right then you'll 'bring them up to near 50%', it doesn't work like that. The problem comes that a lot of pros, even tour winners might have natural race-fit levels even below 40%. Now, take a guy with 40% who gets away with EPO doping to get up to 49% and that is going to make one hell of a difference to his performance. In that case thats a 25% increase in oxygen carrying capacity. This simplistic overview should go someway to explain why EPO was absolutely rife, and that's in a lot of endurance sports, not just cycling.
So, all you have to do is be comfortable that a lot of top, elite atheletes who were doping, and not just with EPO, were still not good enough no matter what they did to beat Lance. Remember these are dedicated professionals too, the best cyclists in the world under monitored, structured, completely analysed training regimes, not people who just think they're a bit fast in a club.
In Lance's favour, history does show that Tour winners have to be good time-trialists, good in the mountains, or even better BOTH, which he was. So, in my mind, lance could still quite possibly have won lots of 'everyone clean' Tours, particularly after not riding the other ones back-to-back BUT, we'll never know.
My favourite little bit of logic is that he now believes the tour is a much cleaner tour and wants to come back to prove 'he can win it clean' but, if he was clean all-along and loads of others were doping then surely this time, when they drop their advantage, he'll waltz into paris with his easiest win ever won't he? ...we'll see, perhaps he will too, I'd like to see it as well, particularly if he rides the Giro too.
I'm not a lance hater either, I'm just a sceptic because of what I see and what I read and that's all I have to go on.
I think Cav could have got the Green last year, if he wasn't thinking of the Olympics.
We just don't know about the drugs, and we won't find out going on about it on here.
So can we just talk about the racing?
Well, if you're going to talk about the racing and Lance's wins you can't really do so unless you mention the prevalance of performancing enhancing doping techiques. That's whether potentially by him, certainly by some of his team mates, and definitely by other competitors. It was absolutely rife. Unless you think its 'just part of the sport' of course and just don't think the sport has been tainted by cheats, that's both the caught and the uncaught ones? The fans have been cheated of clear honest sporting results for years and years, that's pretty obvious.
Like I said though, I hope he's fit for the Giro and the Tour, I want to see how well he does, who know's he might even win?
don't various illegal drugs weaken the bones? (self confessed troll) 😈
Anyone think Cav will get the Green this year then? ...is it too early for him, does he have the maturity to do it? I think he's worth a bet
he's the favourite at 11/8 on paddy power so not really worth it.
Really, old paddy's pretty confident then.