[Closed] Kona process 153 owners help!

Who was it that had a process on here? I will message them

Still got the monarch rt on mine. I had a friend with a 153, 2014 if that matters, he got a debonair for his and said it was fine. Usually TF tuned will recommend you a shock. I know Kimbers has had a process a while he might be able to help you choose.

morning!

my monarch didnt last long either

went for a dhx air, modified by avalanche, in the end, 3 years on and its needed rebuilding once

either way you want a medium/medium tune with a standard/low volume air can, you can use a debonaire/evol/corset -ve chamber but needs a bit of tuning with bands/spacers to get it right ime

i think the fact that the back end is very stiff and that it gets its progressiveness via the smaller air can means that the shocks have a hard life!

A coil wouldnt be a bad idea if weights not a bother

Told you he'd know.

He did know, a fella in shop local was talking about a coil being a good idea. I just dont know enough. A monarch plus rc3 is looking like 330 ish, coil 600 ish. I just don't know enough to make an informed decision! I know air will work so maybe that could be the best way? I guess a coil would wear much in the same way my shock has? So maybe no longer life?
Cheers so far!

or look for a second hand shock (Fox last longer than RS ime) on ebay/pinkbike/stw classifieds

and get it serviced & push tuned by tft

https://www.tftuned.com/servicing/15-push-tuning-forks-shocks

youll get a great shock set up for you and your bike, Id ring tftuned and see what they think might be a good shock to go for

I'm not a fettler when it comes to suspension settings, so the RT has served me well. If you're into twiddling knobs and "dialing things in" then go for a shock with more dials and knobs.

Having taken a few shocks apart for air can servicing I have noticed that more crap gets behind the wipers of RS cans than Fox ones IME.

Coil shocks are less prone to heat-fade on long (we're talking alpine etc.) descents. This is because the air in the can of an air shock changes density as the energy input during the compression-cycle is converted to temperature. This heat then gets into the damping circuit oils changing the rebound and compression feel/actuation as well.

With a coil setup the the spring rate (air pressue in an air can) remains the same on long descents, and the damper circuit usually has a piggy back damper to reduce heat build up, via air flow or just more oil.

Posh air shocks have seperate damper circuits, to help reduce the effects of heat build up on them, and some have larger air chambers and other features like HotRod.

Coil shocks also tend to be heavier than air shocks. Due to the big steel or titanium spring.

Air shocks allow you to change the pressure/spring rate fairly easily. Coil shocks you need to change the spring to a different "weight" which can be an additional cost.

Just had a vert long chat and looked at a lot of graphs about how suspension works, it was complicated! (I'm a stone mason so hammer and chisel is where it's at!)
Cane creek can be ordered with the right eylet size and the shop are pushing them. But at double the price of a monarch plus I'm not sure how worth it it will be. Coil feels like a gamble being that no one has put one on and said it rides better. Fox is an option also. Will get looking around at fox tonight

Worn internal shaft perchance?

Take this with a pinch of salt, but I thought (from various bits of internet reading) that the Process suspension linkage had been designed to make the most of the characteristics of an air spring - i.e. all the progression comes from the air spring rate ramping up as it compresses, rather than the suspension linkage ratio changing. From what I know (not very much) this would not tend to work well with a coil shock where the linkage ratio needs to ramp up to get a similar progression. Without any progression, I guess the suspension would blow through its travel very easily.

That's one of the things I was worried about tillydog. The guy I was chatting to today did say that high speed compression could change the last part of the travel to ramp up. Good small bump sensitivity with a really good consistent spring rate, or.somethimg like that in more complicated sounding way!
I'm not willing to be the first to gamble it though!

Yeah good guess! I was expecting the shaft to be worn flat on one side when they explained it but it's nothing like that! Just a dulling to the the coating

My mates was so scored it dropped all the damper oil into the air can. They refused to warranty it. Seems like an inherent fault.

Yeah it's something to do with an extension on the shock. Making it more prone to flex or something

I took a similar math to Kimbers.

Purchased a Fox DHX of Ebay for £60 and sent off to Sprung.
Originally wanted the Avalanche tune but waiting time was way too long. In the end they gave it a complete service, tune and Vorsprung (think that how it's spelt) Can and it's pretty bloody good.

Think the total cost was around £260 inc shock.

Just phoned tf to speak about push tuning and they are convinced a coil is the way to go. Ccdb il coil. I was pretty set on a ccdb air or fox and now they have sent me right back to the beginning!!

I've also heard of the scoring thing, although I've also heard it about YT capras with RS aircans. So it might not be the frames, but it might be.

Mine's been fine. So far.

The shaft-end eyelet is laterally pivoted, rather than vertically. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Depends how much money you have to spend really, I thought CaneCreek came custom tuned to your bike and that was why they cost so much in the first place?

Whatever you get as long as you get the correct tune and all the knobs and dials you want you'll be fine.

I have no idea about the process air vs coil statement. I'd personally go for air.

I reckon the ccdb air il is the winner. It's got so much adjustment it's going to be able to be set up right and they have allegedly sorted all the problems from the old shock.its not actually much more money than a new monarch
Sorry to go round in circles on this! It's a scary expenditure when it's a slight unknown!

I'm exactly the same! I read a PinkBike article about the new CCDB and it's supposedly much much better now, it was some sort of QC problem with the old factory they were using or something.

Let us know how it goes!

Should be here Friday. I'm excited already! Mother in law has just had open heart heart surgery so chances of ride time this weekend is slim but fingers crossed

For geeks:

This video (by Vorsprung) shows the problem with the old CCDB Inline (about 4 mins in) and compares the Fox and CCDB internals

🙂

You reckon he prefers the fox shock?!!