[Closed] Just been stung for 2k by foum user

You could always try ringing him at work?

the FB page lists his employer

Add him as a friend on Facebook and see if he accepts then just write all over his wall how he ripped you off. Or add his wife and try the same.

Might bring it home to him that it's silly to rip people off and it can get very close to home very quickly.

i have his house address if you want it.......i sold him some stuff.

email me if you do.......addy in my profile.

Send ton to give him a fist pie!

I am not sure what the solution is tbh but this will keep happening.

Deliver a sheep's head to his house.

This is getting somewhat ridiculous - the release of his car index, FB with work contact details, offers to disclose his H/A etc??

We have ONE account - and that's all at the moment and we still await to see the alleged defects.

Can I suggest we exercise a little more restraint and open mindedness?

We all need to keep a look out for his posts in the classifieds. just post a link to this thread under all his adverts.

We have ONE account - and that's all at the moment and we still await to see the alleged defects.

Yeah, as terrible as it sounds I'm with deluded on this: be good to see some pics of the alleged cracks.

If I were the purchaser I'd hope that I had some photos to hand, the sellers word for word response and a second opinion or two before lighting the touch paper, but I'm sure that'll all be revealed very soon.

As said though, the bottle cage area is very low stress area, I used my Principia for a couple of years with a split around the boss,eventually it cracked around the head tube. Patch it up and use it, you're not down 2 grand unless you were planning to sell it on.

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So the pic isnt great but each of the two bottle cage bolts have at some point been over stressed. Probably falling sideways with a bottle in a cage. The bosses have torn the carbon so the whole area flexes.

He may have not known about this prior to sending the bike but the attitude sucks balls to just say ,not my problem NO REFUND.

I live in Hampshire so no opportunity to see him. Small claims are a totals waste of time in my opinion, in the past I've won a case but this doesn't get you the money back. It only proved you were right.

Thanks for the info guys , appreciated.

I live in Hampshire so no opportunity to see him

For £2k I would be making a journey.

For £2k I would be making a journey.

For £2k, I'd be looking in the sales and buying a new bike from a dealer. Not that this excuses the [i]potential[/i] problem here.

Put it on classifieds and hope no-one on this thread sees it. 😯

Seriously tho' looks nowt to me but if it does flex as you say then another reason to stick wi alloy for my next push-iron.

"the whole area flexes"...expand?

If you paid by Paypal, get a claim in. I had to recently and got my money back. You need to have not paid by gift though, and submit a claim as the item was significantly not as described.

Here's how I did it: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/possibly-scammed-advice-appreciated

just needs new bottle cage rivets imo, had the same on an alu frame.

Have you sought the opinion of a trusted local bike shop yet as opposed to all of the arm chair experts on here?

If i pull the bolt lightly to the left the whole are around the crack from 6 oclock to 12 oclock position will lift by a few mm.
Same thing happens with the bother bolt hole.

I don't trust any of the bike shops I know. They tend to be next to useless.
The bike arrived today and I looked at it this evening so not had a chance to do much.

Regardless of what happens to me. Let it be a warning to others that the guy is a retard and shouldn't be trusted.
I purchased a bike from a guy who I though was a decent chap, the end .......... You live and learn.

The guys does some amount of selling across a ton of different sites

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nickdevine81%40hotmail.co.uk&sugexp=chrome,mod=16&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=nickdevine81%40hotmail.co.uk&hl=en&prmd=imvnsfd&ei=eP1IUJC_H8fC0QW37oDoDg&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=2fec7a1f50583e74&biw=1280&bih=873

Knowing absolutely nothing about carbon bikes and therefore possibly offering a completely useless contribution, wouldn't that boss be made of alloy and be glued onto the carbon? Could it be that the glue has parted with the carbon rather than a carbon crack? It also just looks like a paint crack possibly caused by the different expansion properties of carbon and alloy under temperature fluctuations but you say the whole area moves so I return back to my 1st point.

Hope you get it all sorted mate, the attitude stinks, real carbon crack or not.

Here's hoping he has a change of heart pdq. Seem's like a normal enough bloke.

But selling a carbon bike without mentioning cracks in the downtube...........

May as well have robbed him in the street!

[s] I used to be able to squeeze the downtube and (gently!) flex the bottle cage side to side on my old maxlight xc pro (the lightest one they did at the time with massive oval downtube), and there were no cracks anywhere on that, even after I rode the tits off it.

I would be taking it to a good bike shop preferably a Cannondale dealer and asking them if it is the laquer that's cracked or the frame itself. [/s] [b]Edit: took so long typing this that the preceding posts have rendered the above irrelevant. [/b]

Attitude of seller stinks. I would have had those bottle bosses properly looked at before sale and then been honest about whatever turned out to be wrong.

Hello

Sure is a nasty feeling when something turns up not as you expected - especially when the seller sounds like a proper piece of work.

Now, I am only going on what I see in your picture but I do have quite a bit of experience with carbon fibre as I'm an aerospace non-destructive test engineer for my sins and I asses supposed cracks in carbon fibre aircraft components (along with aluminium) quite often.

To be sure it's cracked the first thing you will have to do is take the paint off in the area of interest. It may sound obvious but paint doesn't flex nearly as well as carbon fibre and will look cracked even though all is ok below. If underneath it still looks cracked then the only way to tell how bad it is, is to use ultrasonics to see if the carbon lay-up has disbonded. Carbon fibre really doesn't fail like metals do and what would be a crack for sure in metal may well not be in carbon.

Drop me an email if you need any more information. I would offer to take a look at it but you're quite a way from me.

I know it's probably little consolation but you look to have some great kit on that bike. Worst case situation is you get hold of a new front triangle and move the components across, or break and sell. If you tot the parts up you may not lose as much cash as you think.

Hope all this helps 😉

attitude of the seller (though to be fair we havn't actually seen the emails he sent either) not very good - however the damage doesn't look world ending either - take it to a cannondale dealer, get them to tell you the score, and if it's no bother/fixable for a few quid, strike the seller from your xmas card list and move on.

for me, I think it's a case of live and learn. taking this to small claims will be very hard, considering the layman/magistrate probably won't see a small crack in a used frame as much of a big deal.

Would you really Ken?

I suggest posting him a wee in his shoes kit.. i.e. the diy version.
A small bottle of your own piss and serving instructions.
Enough to dose a pair of size 10 Loake shoes in an f fitting should be adequate.

whats the frame warranty from manufacturer

surley cannondale shuold replace or offer a heavily discounted replacement frameset as a goodwill gesture

id get his home address and drive up for a visit to be fair, but a phone call at work / to his boss would be worthwhile before hand

ill give you £150 for the frame??

So how did you pay for it?

a mate of mine did this once..

the heavies demanded cash in advance, when he met them to pay, they took his money and shattered his jaw..

he looked like predator.. 😆

surley cannondale shuold replace or offer a heavily discounted replacement frameset as a goodwill gesture

Why?

id get his home address and drive up for a visit to be fair, but a phone call at work / to his boss would be worthwhile before hand

What has his work got to do with a private sale?

If I'd been ripped off to the tune of 2k I wouldn't feel badly about letting is boss know what he'd done and the fact that the company name is associated with this thread.

I'm confused about the whole classifieds thing on here. I've just read the rules and it goes on about private sellers flicking on spare stuff and stipulating TRADE disclosures on ads that are from traders, but it appears to be a load of cr*p, doesn't it, cos clearly, if there's members who are prolific posters in the classified but never go near the chat forums then that's the definition of a trader, surely?

I never go near the classifieds myself, because I read so many horror stories. It's notable that singletrack towers are ever so keen to police / clean up / ruin / sensibly moderate* (delete as applicable) the chat forums, but they don't seem to have anything to say about the other half of the forum being scam city?

I realise that the bad guy in this is the seller, but it appears to me that singletrack have some sort of responsibility (morally or ethically, probably not legally) for providing a platform for scams and rip offs.

Why do they allow activity that is clearly in blatant contravention of the "rules"?

3 pages and no
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yet??

take it here: [url= http://www.carboncyclerepairs.co.uk/index.html ]Carbon Frame Repairs[/url]

edlong - Member

Why do they allow activity that is clearly in blatant contravention of the "rules"?

Presumably they don't have the time or money to have someone working full time to monitor them.

I don't get this "so many horror stories" thing. I see the odd issue, but there must be thousands of items sold on here without issue, and anyone I've dealt with on there has been polite to a fault.

[quote=edlong ]I'm confused about the whole classifieds thing on here. I've just read the rules and it goes on about private sellers flicking on spare stuff and stipulating TRADE disclosures on ads that are from traders, but it appears to be a load of cr*p, doesn't it, cos clearly, if there's members who are prolific posters in the classified but never go near the chat forums then that's the definition of a trader, surely?
I never go near the classifieds myself, because I read so many horror stories. It's notable that singletrack towers are ever so keen to police / clean up / ruin / sensibly moderate* (delete as applicable) the chat forums, but they don't seem to have anything to say about the other half of the forum being scam city?
I realise that the bad guy in this is the seller, but it appears to me that singletrack have some sort of responsibility (morally or ethically, probably not legally) for providing a platform for scams and rip offs.
Why do they allow activity that is clearly in blatant contravention of the "rules"?
Email and ask them? As you say, there is very definitely a "blind eye" turned towards a few regular sellers, one of whom I have reported on numerous occasions with no action being taken.

I am sure that a great number of posters on this forum have handles on the side of their head. What kind of mug buys something for £2000 off the classifieds on an internet forum without having a look at the thing first?

iamnotamused +1

Looks more cosmetic in my non-expert opinion, but the attitude is rubbish and deserves being dragged through it for that alone.

Just get Realman to flog it on for you... 😉

- Head on a stick.
- Cows head in the post.
- Pi$$ through the letterbox.
- Inflict shame on his family through facebook and work colleagues over the phone.

I'd say all of the above and he may get the message!

Is it really that bad? There's a way of using a bolt and 2 nuts that you can pull loose bosses back in nice and tight. There's also the correct tool for the job but it's going to be a bit trickier to get a hold of one (or someone with one to do it for you)

It's not like the frame has failed, it's movement at the boss and the paint has fractured. It's probably likely that 90% of those frames will show the same problem!

I would look into getting the bosses nipped up if poss and accept that the paint fractures. I would also ask for a bit of compensation from the seller as 'vgc' does not describe what you have shown us.. although after this thread,I don't think he's going to be willing to throw you £50 quid towards getting it sorted :O/

yunki - Member
a mate of mine did this once..

the heavies demanded cash in advance, when he met them to pay, they took his money and shattered his jaw..

he looked like predator..

Did your mate get some heavies to get the heavies or did he just 'suck it up'?