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When you get to my age, every pound counts 😉
Chief - try Martinh's Plus next time he shows up on a Thursday, talking of which, I aim to make it next Thursday
my 25 is anything but heavy.
Chief has it... the Plus frames are 23 / 24 / 25"
The 23" is a Spaceframe as this offers excellent standover clearance. Its geometry is the [i]same[/i] as the 24 and 25 Diamond Pluses. When I say same this is shared 'Jones Geometry' for the PLUS models, just as the 29 frames have their own version of 'Jones Geometry'. The sizing of the two models (Plus and 29) is such that a 24" Plus is the correct size for a rider who would ride a 23" 29 Jones.
That makes things a little clearer? Jeff will then talk about stem length and straight/layback seatposts and seat angles and rake and trail and rim width and tyres and tyre pressure and much more. Passion.
[b]In other news[/b] – Jeff spoke to Rohloff man at Interbike. They are making a 148mm thru-axle Speedhub and will work with Jeff to create the precise bolts (etc) needed for it to fit a Jones Plus.
Errors and omissions excepted. Any (other) questions, do ask.
Best (not) in Show... http://www.bikepacking.com/plog/2016-interbike-awards/
I see - so the 23 Plus is really quite a small frame (equivalent to another size or so down in a 29 version)
Does the 23 also have CS's at 19" then?
Wouldn't mind seeing a pic of that bike if so
Yes the Spaceframe plus has identical geo as the Plus except the 23" top tube - as has been stated at least 3 times above 😉
Ok, excuse my naivety but I just enjoy riding my SF 29 everyday or as much as possible, I've never been caught up in a numbers game on geometry before. All I know is I want a Plus for added comfort on multiple day rides. Logically to me the SF Plus would be more comfortable as this is the case between the 29 Diamond and Truss. The SF Plus is 23" same as the 29er. There is obviously geometry considerations too, but will it fit me at 5'11"?
Or is the Plus 24 more suitable and the 23 SF Plus best left to smaller riders? Guess I'm asking who is the SF Plus aimed at? I'm not bothered about clearance for frame bags etc as I use a trailer,so no basis there to swing me one way or the other.
Lotto – I'd have thought the 24" Plus will be the better version for 5' 11" you (wanting comfort on multiple day rides). I've a 24" test bike here – question is where are you? Test rides are everything. Numbers seldom add up to much :O)
23" Plus Spaceframe test bike is on the 'build list' – soon.
Numbers seldom add up to much :O)
So how many organs would I have to sell for that Diamond Plus?
Just need to get an idea cause it's a special birthday next year and I can start a fund now and work out what I need to sell...........
Thanks biff. Where are you? I'm in Scotland. I don't mind too much of a journey if I was guaranteed a test ride. I'd probably wait until the SF Plus is built up and try the two back to back along with my SF 29 in there too for added comparison.
lotto – email me directly if you like. I have a plan :O)
birdage – frame and (Truss) forks, EBB, thru-axles (currently) £1400
1400 quid for a frame and forks.......... 😯
Yeah, buy a Stooge, they're a grand less and as good 😉
my 😯 should have been a 😉 obviously.
Biff- I would definitely like to testride a Spaceframe plus!
Err I meant the Diamond Ti Plus in that link. Should have been clearer. Got a steel Diamond that I'm very happy with. Have a feeling I'll have to settle for some carbon Jones bars.
Matt - that special birthday would make you SUPER old would it not :O)
While I can still get the monkey glands it doesn't matter...
Jeff's ti plus is sweet-just pricey as hell-shame really.
How much is the ti plus?
£4500 for frame and forks iirc.
Kermit got hips. Sexy!
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£4500 - that's for the non spaceframe
What size is your plus kimbur?
23" plus spaceframe
It's going to be the demo bike
Hiptastic
Ti Diamond Plus with Ti Truss fork – UK RRP £4308 (25" might well be out of stock)
OK, thanks Biff - virtually the same as the spaceframe then?
Here's my 25 Boost Plus
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crap..........like mine 😉
oh, and looks low at front.......... 😉
🙂
What bars you running on yours ton?
I'm going to try some lower ones (never thought I would want to lower the front of any bike)
jones bars mate. they suit my fused right wrist. also i like the bars high. the upright position the bike puts you in feels just perfect from the off for me.
Cheers
Yeah, just re-looked at your pic and you've got a fair rise on your stem
I might just carry on for a bit with my 800 wide Stooge risers then. Front did feel high to start with on the first tride last night, but forgot it until today's quick spin round
the green is ace by the way...love it
I would have gone for blue, but that's not an option
The green is nice and I think I prefer it now. So much better than on the online pics on Jeff's site etc
It's very nice in the flesh.
I've got an older green Diamond and much prefer the Kermit version.
http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-plus-148-ta/
and
http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-23-spaceframe-plus-148-ta/
Surely having the bars that high is going to royally screw up the handling given it's pretty high at the front anyway? And interesting you've gone for normal 29 rather than plus tyres?
Those Plus bikes do look good and a likely upgrade from my standard jones spaceframe one day when that style of riding becomes the primary rather than the secondary.
Can you explain to me how to put the headset and fork together? 😛
I think that's the first bike you've ever owned that looks like it fits you.
I've got an 800mm flat bar you can borrow if you want to try a lower bar position?
They do come with instructions now
Whatcha getting confused with?
Steerer is separate to the fork so you line it all up and insert (using a mallet) the steerer.
It was a little joke aimed at Nige. 😡
No mallets required if you do it right. 😉
I've done more than my fair share of them and a mallet (rubber headed) helps no end.
The 23" demos just had the same treatment 8)
I could show you a very simple trick where you'd no longer need your mallet. 🙂
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You can skin a cat many ways. Point 10 works for me :0)
Really digging the green 🙂
Anyone tried a fat front on a plus?
This is quite a nice riding bike 🙂
It feels so small now after initially feeling big
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mine looks smaller when i am on board........errrm wonder why 😀