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johnjohn123 you are fruit and i claim my £10s 😉
I ended up with a scandal 29er as a consequence of my local shop being unable to get me an ordered Gary fisher. And as it goes it's pretty damn good. I'd certainly consider something else from their stable, they offer far better value than the boutique US brands...
I've got one of his On-One Ti cx bikes love it, fits like a glove.
johnjohn123 you joined just to slag Brant off or to scared to use your real login?
Ash, i may be wrong, its happened before but i suspect there may also be a bit of brand management in with the designing, so some, though not all of the above issues may fall on him.
Is that post vague enough for me to not get into trouble this time?
WHO ARE YA?
Apparently johnjohn IS 12 (given the evidence above).
Wow, someones got ISSUES.
ASH prehaps you should find a topic thats gives a shit what you are saying because i don't and most other people on here don't, so go on sod off!!!!
Jeez, what it is with this forum? I mean, the spelling and grammar has gone *seriously* downhill since 2004. Great rant-a-thon though, johnjohn123 - keep it coming 🙂
wunhundred!
Something deeply suspicious about johnjohn123 and (sorry, i'm not convinced with the foreign 'accent') bendedheadtube.
I suspect foul play and skullduggery, can some bang whizz IT chaos not find out who these guys really are?
mods, this is now going beyond simple complaints, I think this is bordering on illegal activity and I suspect these 2 are competitors or sommat.
Sorry, but I don't like my trust being abused, and I think you 2 (the aforementioned) are taking the piss. 😐
Kev
If wrong, I will consider removing my tinfoil hat. 🙂
Not liking Brant seems very fashionable.
he's probably a nice bloke, the problem is he used a second rate factory with the lowest bottom line to make bike frames, he didn't rape small children or kill puppies.
it's just a bike frame, get over it people.
because i don't and most other people on here don't
I do. There's two sides to every story. Typing with flecks of spit coming out of your chops won't make you right.
podge...slagging off former employers, however diplomatically, would leave any current and prospective future employers wary of endowing a colleague with any worthwhile information, or indeed comencing/continuing their employment. Is that post vague enough? 8)
Keep it civil please folks... I'm still at work at 8pm on a Monday evening and I'll be tempted to do some of that oft-complained-about 'inconsistent moderating' otherwise 🙂
good bit of advertising again
Confused. Are Ragley still cool or not?
Blimey, just scanned this thread as it kept popping up 😯
edit: without knowing the full story I wouldn't be jumping to any conclusions as to whose feet the blame for any of the issues lay at.
I think it will be a shame if the brand dies out (even without my living in HB bias). The frames were definately going the way I like my bikes, i.e huge emphasis on steel, skinny tubes, great geometry etc..etc..., and in all delivering something slighty away from the norm at an affordable price.
I said earlier on in the year that with all these delays / QC issues could have a huge financial burden on the brand ?. I have seen nothing but "Out of stock - coming soon" on the prodcuts, rolling on month after month. All the investment, new products including several new bike designs, that have been in the offing for months has come to very little this year, with no 2011 bikes out until well into the summer, and many more still not available.
There is huge risk involved in dealing abroad (I know!). I doubt that there would be any posts like this, or designers "going west" fom great inovative companies if the factories had performed and there was a full range out in January as promised. I imagine we would have been seeing "out of stock" for a completely different reason.
Maybe they ran before they could walk ?
I come to STW for predictable, reliable arguments, but then I find people being mean to Brant, this has profoundly unsettled me, people on STW picking on Brant. Pure cognitive dissonance.
CBH, not slagging any one off, just sitting between the lovers and the haters.
podge...ah...like the united nations then...carry on.
What do all those baldy blokes on Singletrack who dumped there On-Ones and got Ragleys do. They now have to get rid of the Ragley and get a Titus, maybe time to buy myself a cheap 2nd hand BluePig
A rather telling quote from Bikeradar.com...
@big_scot_nanny
i am not johnjohn123 and it is a lot of hard work to google every f*** word, because i am not a native speaker. but thanks for the guessing. i take it as a compliment.
I had a PM with Brant / CRC. Refund. Thats it. I´m out.
Big Dave - MemberWhat do all those baldy blokes on Singletrack who dumped there On-Ones and got Ragleys do. They now have to get rid of the Ragley and get a Titus, maybe time to buy myself a cheap 2nd hand BluePig
Lol
🙁
Ash, I think you put it pretty well up there
The way I see it:(1) The company is CRC (and their subsidiary Hotlines).
Ragley is one of their brands.(2) Brant has done quite a lot of design work for CRC's Ragley brand and some of their other brands.
(3) CRC and/or Hotlines QC procedures might not be quite what they should be, resulting in a fair few people getting a bit annoyed. Fair play but don't vent your anger on THE DESIGNER.
(4) Brant announces that he is to work for a different company, at which point a load of negative so-and-so's on an internet forum swear that whoever he works for, they'll never buy a bike DESIGNED by him because of past quality issues of the brands he worked for... . More fool the negative so-and-so's I say... he's one of the best and most forward thinking bike designers out there.
I feel there may be a few agendas at work here, particularly with some angst ridden posts above, which only really show that some peeps don't understand how the work of a consultant designer is not the same as QC of said frames by a pretty big distributor.
Simples don't use chiwanese manufacturing
does this mean my blue pig will be worth something in a few years?
Simples don't use chiwanese manufacturing
I can think of plenty of 'handmade in the USA' frames that suck ass. I don't think country of origin has much to do with anything. But if you go to a crappy factory, pay them **** all to make a frame, don't be too surprised if you get a garden ornament.
Simples don't use chiwanese manufacturing
Dialled Bikes don't seem to have an issue.
does this mean my blue pig will be worth something in a few years?
Definately; have you SEEN the way scrap metal prices are going these days??? Lol
(not a dig at Ragley or Brandt BTW, just saw an opening)
Ok then do use chiwanese manufacturing and flog it cheap
Can't be bothered with reading the whole thread; all I have to say is I liked my 456 whilst I had it. Rode lovely and had a blast on it. Didn't really like Ragleys - thought they looked a bit cheap (yes, cheaper than on-ones). Given that I liked my 456, I'll keep an eye on what Brant is up to.
BUT. I don't think I'll be getting rid of my Soul!
Flinkin' heck - talk about Chinese whispers 🙄 . . . what blame? . . . what issues? Have I missed something? Is Ash the only one talking sense on this thread?
The way I've read it, Brant has decided to [i]move away from Ragley[/i] and return to On-One. Nowhere does it say that Ragley will not continue as a brand, and what of the problems? I remember a few folks throwing their toys out of the pram over expected stock dates a few months ago . . . try pinning the importers of Santa Cruz or Intense frames down for a definite delivery date. Paint durability? It's a mountain bike - get over it . . . that said both my Inbred frames were sent off for Ferrari red resprays before the paint had a chance to pick up any battle scars . . . and also before red was a stock Inbred colour . . . damn you Brant 😉 .
I've always liked On-One's if it ain't broke, don't fix it, frame design as regards the Inbred - subtle tweaks to keep up to date . . . slacker angles, longer travel fork capability, disc mounts and now swapouts . . . it's all good. Take a look at the range of different types of frames/parts on the On-One site though - makes Ragley's range look positively niche 😉 . I'm sure both can happily co-exist - after all Ragley don't produce a fugly carbon bike nor On-One a 160mm fork optimised hardtail . . . yet.
so is ragley the new superstar ? Brant the new fruit?
i have just made plans to fit a ragley with a load of superstar and nukeproof parts and perhaps buy some parts from on one as well. Will i die?.. (well the wife it would be her bike) ...or will this work of the evil cause a crack in space and time and destroy us all..worst of all i might like it and get rid of the bouncy bike , grow a beard and start rambling about waggon wheels ,bars the size of a tooth pick , wooden forks and no gears as i hug trees instead of running into them with my 48" bars ??
brant has been damaged by this but most of this was not his doing. The fact he has left shows you how happy he is with how it was going { i dont know him and state my opinion here without insider knowledge].
{ i dont know him and state my opinion here without insider knowledge].
seems legit
On [b][i]"where it's built"[/i][/b]...
I remember, just about, when I bought my Proflex: I was strongly recommended to make sure I got the Taiwanese built version of the frame, not the USA built version, for quality reasons.
I wouldn't go assuming that the country a factory is in tells you anything/everything about the quality of the work done there. Things are rarely as simple as people who like waving flags would like to believe.
Bendedheadtube I am confused do you think i am or I am not legit?
On your thread I got slagged off for hating him by someone so I may have just struck a balance
If it costs a shedload folk complain
If it's cheap as chips folk complain
The joy of being a bike industry bloke who designs stuff
If brant was a pop star he'd be lady gaga
It sounds like ironic, that you don´t know him.
Sorry
it is less than 15 mins ago, i can delete it if you want to
Since being in this industry it strikes me how fickle some can be. I think it us a credit to the industry that you know people like Brant by name, how many other industries can you do that with?
Fwiw I know how frustrating it can be when things go wrong and how much it hurts when people are so scathing, but I suppose that is the nature of the beast.
nah I just did not know which it was. Leave it, I am not offended in any way by it but thanks for the offer.
I dont know him
I dont know him
I do. He's a cock. That's not necessarily a bad thing 🙂
I met him once. He hit me on the head with a shovel at HTN Winter Sprinter.
Good times, good times.
In other news, I have a Piglet and a Inbred. Two of the best, simple, honest bike's I've ever owned. Never had issues with them in any way.