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This guy must be from stw. If not he should get on here pronto, he'd fit in a treat.
After watching 1 min I can instantly tell the Cyclist is a complete and utter kn0b... wish I'd been there so I could've smacked him one on behalf of the rozzer!
What an utter bell end, the cyclist i mean not the copper.
bloody law students!
I'm in the office so can't hear what's being said, can someone sum it up please?
hopefully next time he run's a red light he gets knocked off, what a prize tit.
cyclists are people. Some people are ****s.
we would of all done the same thing!!
A ticket for running a red light..... tsschhhhh!!
I got pulled for cycling in 2's last year, a whole 5mins arguing about rights and wrongs, then on the opposite side of the road ( great timing), 2 bike coppers were riding side by side on the path.
suffice to say i rode away the merrier of the 2 participants
summary:
1. guy ran a red light
2. copper stopped him and tried to issue him a ticket
3. the guy used the usual 'am i obliged to give you that info' line.
4. copper tried to bluff him through it with threats of arrest
5. the guy stuck to his guns and managed to get the copper to lie on camera
6. copper then lost it and tried to grab the camera
7. the guy rides off and isn't chased
8. smug text at the end.
6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
the guy seems like a bit of a knob - he was in the wrong and acted like a tosser from the off, but the policeman didn't do himself any favours, just took the usual stance of "I'm a policeman, therefore what I say is correct".
It does annoy me when legalese is spouted by ill informed police in order to bluff people into complying - see all the stories about photos being deleted, cameras being confiscated etc.
People running red lights also annoy me.
Dave
edit: sorry, wrote a list as if I was using Trac at work... edited to make proper numbers.
Hope the cyclist gets a nice crimal record that cocks up his law career.
Posh = above the law?
I think his video has backfired somewhat. What an arse.
middle class bloke is chuffed with himself for getting one up on 'the system' whilst completly ignoring the wrong that he did that triggered the whole thing.
I wonder if he expects his kids to take the same line when he tries to discipline them - "What did you do to your sister?" "I've been advised not to answer that, Dad" and so on. knob.
That cyclist is a tool, really what is his problem? A £60 fine and some good advice is a very light way of getting off!
Do you think he could have talked his way out of being splatted across the front of a truck?
Thanks alfabus 🙂
Did he really run the red light though? Or did I miss the start of the vid?
what has his class/accent got to do with it? chip on your shoulder?
Dave
Bear no resentment towards the police? No, of course not. But what about you, you utter tool. Half way through that I wanted to punch you in the face and I've never even met you. Good job that copper was a nice bloke.
Argh!
Basically...
Gets stopped for running red light.
Cyclist is a law student, and tells Policeman he won't be taking any paperwork he issues him, by law he doesn't have to.
Policeman says he has to take it under IDCOPPLAN law, or produce ID.
Cyclist says what law did you say..
Police: IDCOPPLAN, blah blah blah (he's trying to blag it)
Cyclist says fine, can you please state the law. (IDCOPPLAN is not a law)
Policeman doesn't know the law.
Cyclist asks how he can tell him he is breaking the law if he doesn't know the law.
Policeman lunges for camera, cyclist goes off.
Clearly the cyclist was breaking the law, but he was right in everything he did to get out of it. I bet that policeman now knows the law!
I'll be riding through those lights on my way home from work tonight. Maybe I should get a camera?!
It's the smarmyness of him that boils my P**s. If he ran a red light and got knocked off, he has ruined someone elses day, not just his own. Which is selfish.
The RLJ is a total and utter tool he breaks the law and gets caught. I was constantly hoping the copper was going to just arrest him and have him carted off in a van, as cyclists we are also bound by the same laws on the road as cars and just as answerable, asshats like him give the rest of us a bad name.
i think thats quite funny, they are both dicks though.
I had a similar ish accident with a police woman who was adamant I wasnt allowed to walk through town with a bottle of vodka id won at a raffle- she poured it down the drain infront of me as it had been opened (if it was closed it would have been fine, as i got to keep the bottle of wine I also had!). She also took the i'm a copper, im right approach and wouldnt explain to me why she was doing it..
I walked to the police station to ask for clarification on the law, but all the guy said was that the lady was allowed to do it- im still not sure whether she was or not.
Ok the guy is a bell, jumping reds lights is not big or in fact clever (i'm with darwin on that one)
I think he was in for a bollocking, and as the bobbies would say he failed the attitude test.
However, the copper dug himself a ****ing great big hole there.
Also whenever you see these police camera type programme and some one asks them to stop filming they never do. Interesting to see the camera turned arounded.
But the copper did loose it. Which non of use are allowed to do at work.
But that doesn't stop mr student of the law being a total bell end.
What a spanner!!
If he had accepted it he may have been given a warning like I have had a few times. It's arrogant muppets like this that give us a bad name - yes the majority of us run lights and jump kerbs around traffic ocassionally but if you get caught own up. Nine times out of ten you will get a warning and the police will actually play nice (in Wales they do!) 🙂
I think thats quite funny, they are both dicks though.
That sums it up quite well!
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The RLJ is a total and utter tool he breaks the law and gets caught. I was constantly hoping the copper was going to just arrest him and have him carted off in a van, as cyclists we are also bound by the same laws on the road as cars and just as answerable, asshats like him give the rest of us a bad name.
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His whole youtube channel seems to be of him 'interviewing' police and he comes across like a tosser every time!
i thought you had to give your name and address, is this not the case?
one day when dear leader takes over it will be normal for police to issue short sharp jabs to the genitals to anyone being a prick. this will make the world a nicer place to live in.
Knob cyclist and copper who doesn't know what he's talking about. Pretty stupid to go for the camera like that too.
Thinking about this (which i really shouldn't) could the copper not have asked for the recording equipment,as evidence? then arrested him for not handing it over, because he wouldn't have.
I'd like to know if it shows him running the red light I'm not arguing that he didn't, but i wonder whether theres footage of it.
I have no issue with holding the agents of the state to account, and if (as individuals) they don't know what they are trying to enforce, then why should an individual's liberty be threatened?
But, yes, the cyclist is a bellend. For no other reason than he said "Iam a student of the law". Tool.
Policeman got out of his depth there, certainly. But the cyclist jumping the red light really does deserve an almighty kick. I'm sure he was cycling around just [i]begging[/i] the police to stop him so he can come up with his 'I'm not obliged to do tell you anything' prepared speech.
Won't help him when he's hit by a bus though, will it? Presumably he'll inform the bus that he has rights before expiring in a pool of his own smugness.
It is illegal to video or photograph a copper going about their duties thanks to anti terror legislation. If this copper knew what he was doing he would simply have arrested this bloke for that and it would have been the end of it. It looks like a tale of 2 pricks to me as I find people who run red lights and coppers who throw their weight around both quarrelsome.
I like the cyclist's attitude, the copper is unable to cope with logic.
I like the cyclist's attitude, the copper is unable to cope with logic.
This ^
I'm with the cyclist, cops will use all the tricks in the book to get you, so you have to use all the tricks in the book to defend yourself. Chapaeu to him he proved that the cop didn't actually have a clue what the law was. And I don't see the problem with jumping red lights on bikes.
i thought you had to give your name and address, is this not the case?
You are not legally obliged to give the police any information at all; however, if you have (or are believed to have) committed an offence and the officer can not identify you (in order to issue a court summons) then you're probably going to get arrested.
The video showed a couple of idiots who will surely suffer, at some point in the future, from their own shortcomings. Until then, they can be comedy fodder on the intertubes. It was rather nice, though, to see that policeman made a complete fool of.
For some reason I find that worrying, are you allowed to record audio? I'd quite like to have a copy of the discussion to refer to later if I ever got into a situation with police.It is illegal to video or photograph a copper going about their duties thanks to anti terror legislation.
thanks three fish!
It is illegal to video or photograph a copper going about their duties thanks to anti terror legislation. If this copper knew what he was doing he would simply have arrested this bloke for that and it would have been the end of it. It looks like a tale of 2 pricks to me as I find people who run red lights and coppers who throw their weight around both quarrelsome.
Not entirely true - my understanding is that the Police can only stop you if they suspect the footage is likely to be used in a terrorist act or for some 'terrorist' purpose. Which is very vague...
It is illegal to video or photograph a copper going about their duties thanks to anti terror legislation.
For some reason I find that worrying, are you allowed to record audio? I'd quite like to have a copy of the discussion to refer to later if I ever got into a situation with police.
I don't think he is correct on this, it is possible that you can be arrested but the new govt are cracking down on cops doing this.
JonR - Member
It is illegal to video or photograph a copper going about their duties thanks to anti terror legislation. If this copper knew what he was doing he would simply have arrested this bloke for that and it would have been the end of it
It's not that difficult to check that you're not talking absolute bobbins:
Section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000
Section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000 covers the offence of eliciting, publishing or communicating information about members of the armed forces, intelligence services or police where the information is, by its very nature, designed to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.Any officer making an arrest for an offence under Section 58A must be able to demonstrate a reasonable suspicion that the information was, by its very nature, designed to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism
It would ordinarily be unlawful to use section 58A to arrest people photographing police officers in the course of normal policing activities, including protests because there would not normally be grounds for suspecting that the photographs were being taken to provide assistance to a terrorist. An arrest would only be lawful if an arresting officer had a reasonable suspicion that the photographs were being taken in order to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.
There is nothing preventing officers asking questions of an individual who appears to be taking photographs of someone who is or has been a member of Her Majesty’s Forces (HMF), Intelligence Services or a constable so long as this is being done for a lawful purpose and is not being done in a way that prevents, dissuades or inhibits the individual from doing something which is not unlawful.
It would ordinarily be unlawful to use section 58A to arrest people photographing police officers in the course of normal policing activities, including protests because there would not normally be grounds for suspecting that the photographs were being taken to provide assistance to a terrorist. An arrest would only be lawful if an arresting officer had a reasonable suspicion that the photographs were being taken in order to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.
This is what the copper would not be able to prove.
the cyclist would have been arrested about 5 minutes before PC stout had let him go if i was speaking to him
if a person commits any offence and wont give personasl details sufficient for summons he can be arrested.shame the officer was not quite sure what act and section
ive stopped countless cyclists without lights,jumping red lights and only ever issued 2 tickets
in the police world it called failing the attitude test!
he was actually correct quoting the nemonic id cop plan
The mnemonic ID COP PLAN is a Law governing the way arrests should be made in the UK. A police officer can only arrest if one of the following conditions applies: the investigation of the offence needs to be prompt and effective; the disappearance of the person will hinder the prosecution; to protect a child or other vulnerable person from the accused; to prevent the accused causing an unlawful obstruction of the highway; to prevent physical harm caused to any person and to prevent the accused from causing damage to property.
pc stout could have arrested to 1,the dissapearence of the person would hinder the investigation(ie he would not give his details)
and 2, for prompt and effective investigation(he could not investigate without the cyclists details)