[Closed] Huge road gangs?

samuri - Member
Only one of these activities kills people. So while I personally think big groups should show some discipline, probably time to get some perspective.

50 cyclists crashing into you would probably kill you 😀

Happen.
Although I've never, ever heard of a cyclist or even a huge massive group of cyclists killing a driver in their car. I wish the opposite could be said.

grum - Member
You do know you're supposed to give cyclists 3 metres overtaking room don't you so you would need to move to the other side of the road to overtake. I guess you don't know that or care.
You're also meant to never ride more than 2 abreast, and even then only on wide, quiet, straight roads.

https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82/overview-59-to-71

Pick a side and be a dick about it.

Certainly seems to be the way you approach any wheel size discussion.

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Has the bit about single file on narrow or busy roads been added recently?

Oh actually just realised its in the "should " category .

It's great seeing so many cyclists out these days... time to celebrate I should say.

Anyone who has a problem with cyclists 'taking up the road' should take a closer look next time they're in a traffic jam and ask themselves whether the traffic jam would still be there if everyone was on bikes instead...

That said, groups of 10+ are tricky to handle unless all 10 are experienced and working well as a group. My club is overhauling the club runs to deal with the recent growth so that we can get back to smaller groups rather than one big one.

It would be help if drivers recognised that what they think is a 'big group' may actually be total strangers to each other - separate groups who're momentarily riding along the same road

Road gangs?

Full of simmering middle aged rage at twice-monthly sex at home and need to impress other males at how much cycling cadence that they can keep up?

one pack we saw today took up the entire road. We had to let them know we wanted go pass. A lot. And we were on bikes by the way.

Yes, clubs need to provide a bit of guidance. There's ways of doing things that have worked for a very long time. Do that.

I've "only" been hit by cars twice. Both times have been when I have been single file. The first in a group of 2, the second with a group of 12. The second tome resulted in my collar bone in 5 pieces. My mistake was I did not take up enough space on the road and the guy thought overtaking on a blind bend was fine as he had the option of taking me off the road. Frankly if a big group slows some cars down for a few minutes it is not the end of the world

For god's sake, hasn't anyone seen the important issue here?

It's "'My lad and I"!
Not "Me and my lad"', "my lad and I"!!!
Ffs

All I can add is leave the horse box alone , firstly they can go quicker in a national limit than a big truck and second they are Great to slip in behind for a strava segment

It's easier to pass 30 cyclists in a mob 2 or 3 abreast than it is to pass 30 cyclists travelling in dribs and drabs. Course, there are right times and wrong times but mostly, if you're not able to pass riders riding 2 abreast, you shouldn't have dreamed of passing a single rider, and if you can't pass a line of riders you shouldn't have passed one.

Factor in that riding a perfect line of 2-abreast is almost impossible in this country

Through and off - when I lead a ride the two lines are one handlebar width apart. I expect good group riding skills and train people to ride in groups accordingly. Most people make the mistake of trying to go fast in a group, when they should be riding smoothly - speed then comes naturally. Nine is the largest number for a group, seven works better.

30 would be chaos!

Anyone who rides on the road is mental, unless commuting or going from trail to trail.

Heck, just listen to some of tge sanctimonious bell ends on this thread. Wrong in the head, yo.

As Tired says. It's not difficult, but some riders (mamils, cough cough) have missed out on all the groundwork.

I train with "cadetes" (age 13-15 in the spanish system) and if they can do it...

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even the mamils on the Saturday chaingang can do it!

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hora - Member

Road gangs?

Full of simmering middle aged rage at twice-monthly sex at home and need to impress other males at how much cycling cadence that they can keep up?

How are your 27 mile, with a pub stop in the middle, road 'training' rides going?

even the mamils on the Saturday chaingang can do it!

And notice the room given by the car!!!

That is the real issue, drivers believing they have total right of way with no regard to another road user. Being held up for a few minutes, how much difference does it actually make to the average car journey.

yesterday I over took a single cyclist, i crossed fully on to the to her side of the road and passed at a decreased spead. the cyclist moved from there middle of the lane position to thewhite line, when i stoped at 4 way traffic lights they coaught me and started giving me abuse for crossing to the other lane saying I was taking the piss with the amount of room.

You cant win from either side just smile and be happy.

As in all these things it's a matter of courtesy.

Someone in the amateur "peloton" could possibly realise they are causing some frustration in other road users. But if they did they wouldn't be riding with all the other ignoramuses...

I've been a cyclist all my life, even ran a club for a while. Sacked it due to indiscipline on the road.

I hate riding in groups and stick to the trails/lanes now.

C

Crispedwheel just fine thanks. Sex is tiring tho 😉

Drivers coming up behind a big group of cyclists, tractor, sheep being moved, sunday bimbly, lost people, bus or just people driving slightly slower than them seems to cause frustration. It all goes back to respecting other people which is the cause of most of the problems out in the world these days.
Walkers don't want mountain bikers
Mountain Bikers object to ramblers objecting
Mountain bikers annoyed that horse riders exist
Horse riders annoyed by mountain bikers

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hora - Member
Road gangs?

Full of simmering middle aged rage at twice-monthly sex at home

Why is 3 abreast any harder to overtake than two abreast? Or even one if you're fully crossing to the other side of the road?

The problem with this is the issue the cyclist closest to the centre line has with being overtaken so closely, despite driver doing everything "by the book". Driver is completely in the other lane when overtaking, but because cyclist has read the Highway Code and expects the car to give a car's width when overtaking regardless of cyclists position in the road, cyclist then gesticulates like an arse when car passes and driver has the "bloody cyclists think they own the road" mindset reinforced.

I find that if you keep groups small and leave all the through and off tripe at home and just ride you have zero problems.
Two abreast wheel to wheel with riders of the same ability and just come through when you want, it's all natural and fluid.
Why has riding in groups on the Sunday bun run become rocket science?

Three abreast! no need.
Through and off all day long, you can keep that.
And lets stop with the vocals, my club has a long list of calls I'm on a mission to do away with them.
Car up! I know it's a road I expect cars
Car down! ditto
Slowing! I know as you are slowing.
Stopping! ditto.
Lights! what the big red shiny thing.
Gravel! Yep I can see that as I'm looking where I'm going.
Pot holes! No shit, and shouting it is useless....where left right? Clear! I'll decide before pulling out.
Unclipping! okay 😕

Have you noticed I always post a grumpy on Monday morning.

As Tired says. It's not difficult, but some riders (mamils, cough cough) have missed out on all the groundwork.

I remember getting into a break of about 7 at a road race once and we worked perfectly, through and off for 50 miles. Of course we had motorbike outriders and marshalled junctions and no traffic trying to overtake but get it right and a chaingang is poetry in motion, it feels effortless. The world shrinks to you, the other riders and a blur of wheels.

I've done chaingangs a few times in France and Spain and the combination of wider, smoother roads, better attitude from drivers, less of an "entitlement" atitude from the riders means that it generally works very well. The best/worst one was hooking up with a bunch of neo-pros in Majorca once. We were absolutely dying trying to stay with them. They were sitting up, hands on the tops, chatting away.

Have you noticed I always post a grumpy [s]on Monday morning[/s].

Yes,it must be very draining.

And lets stop with the vocals, my club has a long list of calls I'm on a mission to do away with them.

You maybe need to go out on your own more.

Full of simmering middle aged rage at twice-monthly sex at home and need to impress other males at how much cycling cadence that they can keep up?

Twice a month? It's been over six months for me - how do I join this twice a month club?

JCL - Member

Good for cyclists, bad for cars.

Pick a side and be a dick about it.

That would make a pretty good T-shirt I reckon.

Ride alone, solves all the problems.

Consideration for other road users whether that bike, car, horse etc.
The problem is there are ignorant folk that use all these forms of transport and the bad seem to tarnish the good.

There seems to be some sort of neanderthal mentality that ingratiates itself into roadie group rides. Met about 20 of them one sunny day while I circulated a roundabout. I had intended to take the third turning off, but as the f****s streamed into the roundabout without even slowing, I had to a quick rethink and do another full circuit, as the alternative would have had lycra all over my bonnet.

We are not even talking about a big old roundabout, just a small 20m across unit with no vegetation on it.

Collective intelligence drops to an IQ that can be plotted in single digits. Surprising, considering the amount of cash these boys throw at their bikes, they are, I am pretty sure, reasonable, intelligent and gregarious away from the "pack". So if you are "one of them" - stop it!!!

OK so there's one "huge road gang" roundabout anecdote - how many can you think of involving neanderthal car driving f****s ? A few more than one I'd guess.

I don't know about the UK but Spanish road rules treat a group of riders as one vehicle, so if the roundabout was clear when the first rider entered it, you'd have to give priority to the last riders even if you were already on the roundabout. Same goes for traffic lights, junctions etc. I must admit it takes some faith in drivers knowing this when you go through a red light and the traffic going across has started to move...

Same goes for traffic lights, junctions etc. I must admit it takes some faith in drivers knowing this when you go through a red light and the traffic going across has started to move...

Ah...I'm begining to see the problem. You think this is a good idea or acceptable?

Same goes for traffic lights, junctions etc. I must admit it takes some faith in drivers knowing this when you go through a red light and the traffic going across has started to move...

I'll use that one when driving through town, it will make it much easier to get through

OK so there's one "huge road gang" roundabout anecdote - how many can you think of involving neanderthal car driving f****s ? A few more than one I'd guess.

^This

I had a heated discussion with someone the other day that was the stereotypical bikes-on-roads argument. What irritated me most was her tarring-with-the-same-brush mentality. There are irresponsible road users out there; sometimes they are on a bike and sometimes they are in a car.

You think this is a good idea or acceptable?

Doesn't matter what I think, does it? It's the law.

Doesn't matter what I think, does it? It's the law.

Ah apologies, I hadn't realised thats actually Spanish law. Crikey, can't see that going down well in the UK!

I don't know about the UK but Spanish road rules treat a group of riders as one vehicle, so if the roundabout was clear when the first rider entered it, you'd have to give priority to the last riders even if you were already on the roundabout.

Certainly amongst older drivers here, it's recognised. A few younger ones I've talked to about it don't know. Neither did I when I started driving here.

This is from the Basque traffic dept, shown at about 1m16s.

There seems to be some sort of neanderthal mentality that ingratiates itself into roadie group rides

theres also a motorist alpha male mentality that is far more prevalent.
i have to exit a small roundabout (the kind with a white painted hump you can drive over) yet 99% of the traffic is just going straight over and the other exit is to a dead end that turns into a cycle only path.
nearly every time i approach the roundabout in the correct position waving my right arm frantically i’m taking my life into my own hands as i go onto the roundabout, any cars approaching rarely stop as they are going straight on and i have to eyeball them and be ready to grab the brakes. it’s my right of way as i’m already on the roundabout and indicating.
this kind of behaviour is far more dangerous and a bigger problem than a group of cyclists delaying somebody by a few minutes.

(anyone who rides round richmond park and goes back through the danebury estate will know exactly what i’m talking about.)

spent part of my weekend marshalling a temporary / rolling closed road race - this was fully legal as all of the necessary Road Traffic Orders were in place. Virtually all of the drivers I had to stop were quite relaxed and happy to wait for the ~3 minutes it took for the race to pass by.

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Using a public road as a private playground you can't expect other road users to be happy about being dragged unwittingly into your game... and with big group it's very hard to "pause play"

As such, I prefer to ride on my own or in a small group... much easier to be accommadating to great big lumps of metal that l'd rather not get to personnal with.

Rosey, so why is your (hypothetical) trip to the garden centre more important than my mamiltastic sportive? You might have a point if all traffic was making vital journeys.

Case in point. I was doing a RR which crossed a col on the French/Spanish border. At the top there's a duty free shopping centre catering to the French, where they buy gitanes and pastis or whatever it is they're into. There's no other reason to drive to the top, but on a weekend it's rammed with traffic. Many of the drivers stopped were furious at the (probably 5 or 10 minute) delay; seemed like not many could see the irony. Or maybe they just like arm waving.

There are - and will always be - road users who believe [i]their[/i] use of the road is more important and they have "more right" to be there than other road users. Whilst those attitudes prevail there will always be conflict. I'd prefer internet forum conflict and arguments in the pub than the conflict of steel on flesh out on the road though.

That said, I have experience of group rides not being as organised or disciplined as they should be with the growth in popularity of road cycling, so I can see why this is a hotter topic than it used to be.

And I thought this was a thread about an increase in numbers of workmen, clad in orange, improving the quality of tarmac! Who knew!

And I thought this was a thread about an increase in numbers of workmen, clad in orange, improving the quality of tarmac! Who knew!

Between what times do most road clubs/groups ride?

In London I was used to 9/10am-12/1pm. Here in Perth (Australia), it's more like 5:30/6:30am-8/8:30am. I can't get up that early for only a 1:30-2 hour ride though.