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What a weird co-incidence... the EXACT same route I had 3 cyclists passing my car on both sides at once 2 weekends ago.
There are loads of horses on the roads around where I live and most are just fine with bikes, but I always ring the bell long before I get close to them.
Horses are a peculiar animal though - they're fine with the bike, but they're terrified of the Bike + Chariot even if it's coming toward them. I always have to stop and allow the riders to go past, wrestling the stupid beast to continue. very odd and somewhat terrifying (for both the horse rider and myself/daughter) when it first occurred.
Can you actually read? Go on, give it another go.
Ok.
Yep, just re-read your posts and I am in no position to change my mind. Victim blaming, bell-endery and shit-talking from page one.
For instance, how have you reacted in the past when your horse has been struck by a cyclist?
Convert, spotted earlier:
Here are the current UK cycling laws...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
So, throwing this to the masses which offence did they commit?
What the hell is even the point of horses (/bikes) these days, they do absolutely sod all but cause aggro.
Try not go out of your way to be a bell end, there are enough of them about as it is.
Triathlon organisers are investigating as a horse was hit and its rider hurt by cyclists racing too close to them.
Idiots on bikes.
Amanda Coyne, who lives near the route of the race, said she had encountered cyclists riding "dangerously" while driving shortly before 09:00.
"I nearly had a heart attack as I nearly got hit by a car which had been forced to overtake cyclists who were riding four-abreast," she said.
Idiotic comment by an idiot in a car.
The problem is not cycling, or driving, or riding horses.
The problem is idiots.
So, throwing this to the masses which offence did they commit?
Assault.
Here are the current UK cycling laws…
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing
/a>So, throwing this to the masses which offence did they commit?
No, what you linked to is the RTA1988. There are other laws which may impact, have a look here.
https://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/cycling-offences
The individual that comes out of this incident and the subsequent bun fight is a horse.
I'm not sure a satirist could do better.
No, what you linked to is the RTA1988. There are other laws which may impact, have a look here.
Not to mention most of the Road Traffic Act, lighting up act and 101 others. (Like Railways Act)
@weeksy – did I say they took it on a public road? Read what I wrote not what you think I did.
Fair enough if that specific horse is kept off road, but I would agree with the general point that "horses are highly variable in how they react". I have passed horses slowly and with as much distance as possible, and some still get spooked. From talking to people that own horses, they seem to be inherently flighty. It does seem a bit iffy taking an unpredictable animal out on a road.
I think the incident in the video is a rare occurrence, and I don't think there is actually a huge problem with careless cyclists colliding with horses.
The horse and rider were hit? Really? Was there a triathelete splattered against the horses arse with various bits of shattered expensive bike everywhere? Surely that bit should be on the clip...
I see close passes by numpties. I'd expect a cyclist colliding with a horse at speed to not be in great shape.
And as for expecting locals to check what's on in their area, maybe others don't but I do, as I know stuff is regularly on in my area. I would have thought there would have been some signs and stuff as well. Especially if you are an outdoorsy type.
Anyway wasn't it lucky they were wearing a camera whilst riding a horse in a busy event otherwise we'd have nothing to argue about on the forum
I also find wild horse seem to be far more predictable and behaved than those I see with riders on them
The horse and rider were hit? Really?
Yep.
It does seem a bit iffy taking an unpredictable animal out on a road.
Presumably you are aware of how and why roads came about?
I think the incident in the video is a rare occurrence, and I don’t think there is actually a huge problem with careless cyclists colliding with horses.
That's absolutely right, but that doesn't matter in the era of faux outrage and keyboard warriordom.
On that clip?
The horse and rider were hit? Really? Was there a triathelete splattered against the horses arse with various bits of shattered expensive bike everywhere? Surely that bit should be on the clip…
I see close passes by numpties. I’d expect a cyclist colliding with a horse at speed to not be in great shape.
And as for expecting locals to check what’s on in their area, maybe others don’t but I do, as I know stuff is regularly on in my area. I would have thought there would have been some signs and stuff as well. Especially if you are an outdoorsy type.
Anyway wasn’t it lucky they were wearing a camera whilst riding a horse in a busy event otherwise we’d have nothing to argue about on the forum
I also find wild horse seem to be far more predictable and behaved than those I see with riders on them
Odd.
On that clip?
yep.
I need to watch it again then, pretty amazed they didn't crash if they hit a horse....or is there a different clip doing the rounds?
Tossers. The end.
the bit where she shouts and the horse goes ape - the rider on the inside hit the horse and her leg on the way past.
it's included in a number of the news reports doing the rounds plus her original account of the incident. Feel free to read more widely 🙂
I need to watch it again then, pretty amazed they didn’t crash if they hit a horse….or is there a different clip doing the rounds?
When you click on the link on page one there are words as well as pictures.
Have a look at the words this time. 🙂
So this event has been running for years
Woman has been given prior notification and decides to go ride her popo in the middle of a bike race.
Surely she carries some of the blame, it would be over by 12.00 and she could have gone doing her recreational activity then.
Awh what a lovely morning, perfect for a ride on spirit (horses name changed for legal reasons)
Trit-trot
oh there’s a lot of cyclists today, ahh it’s the triathlon, forgot about that. Knew I should have kept up my uk triathlon newsletter subscription - damn GDPR.
Never mind, I’ll get off at the next junction
trit-trot
CRUNCH
I helped set up a BC road race yesterday for my club. The risk assesment was thorough and we spent a long time putting up warning signs on every road entry point to the course and at strategic points along the course (to catch horses and farmers who may enter through other rights of way and private land).
It can be done, and should be.
It looks like in the video the ones going down the inside have been caught out when everyone else has moved round the horse. Not paying attention. If they are usng tri bars there is a good chance they didn't have time to move to the brakes or off the extensions to get more control.
Horse looks pretty chilled up until it is hit. It would be able to see the majority of riders behind it that are on or over the white line. Looking at its ears it certainly heard them.
I've posted this before.
Pretty sure the BHS will have guidance on behaving around horses. I'd suggest pass wide, slow down a bit. Consider saying hello when you are a good distance back - to alert th horse as much as the rider. The flight response is strong so when spooked they take off. If the rider jumps as well then it is very difficult to maintain control. Riders will often get their horses to trot and keep moving if they are acting nervous as it can calm them down.
So, throwing this to the masses which offence did they commit?
From the links provided I'd suggest what they did was probably Dangerous cycling and almost definitely careless given that
Dangerous cycling is an offence committed by any person riding a bicycle on a road in a manner that falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful cyclist and would be obviously dangerous to a competent and careful cyclist. 'Danger' refers to danger either of injury to any person or of serious damage to property.
I am a relatively competent and fairly careful cyclist and I would anticipate riding like that to potentially result in a thrown rider.
The rider we couldn't see from the forward facing camera is the one I feel sorry for - I guess those aero helmets aren't always an advantage...
Two weeks to my next road race - I've a garage full of warning signs, the risk assessment is done, and I'll be contacting local stables to let them know.
The organisers, if they have done their job properly, should have properly signed the event, or at least some of the route. I guess being TT it's a longer route than a typical BC circuit race, but some signage and notification would have helped.
I'd be interested to see what road support they had - NEG, marshals, rider briefing....
What an atrocious piece of riding. In road racing we slow the bunch and crawl past. No big deal as time is given back by the commissaire if there is a breakaway. In time trials I have always slowed and edge across the road for a wide pass, then try and make the time up. You just don't pass horses like that. Full stop. I hope every one of the riders gets a DQ, and as for undertaking. Words fail.
And it's local to me, although I was on the Bentley by-pass all day. No horses.
Presumably you are aware of how and why roads came about?
Of course. Modern UK roads were developed in response to the lobbying of cyclists:
https://islandpress.org/books/roads-were-not-built-cars
What's that got to do with horses?
came to page 5 expecting an argument to be in full flow... but gotm
You just don’t pass horses like that
I laughted.
^^^ wait till you see what's on page 4 then!
The organisers, if they have done their job properly, should have properly signed the event, or at least some of the route. I guess being TT it’s a longer route than a typical BC circuit race, but some signage and notification would have helped.
I've never quite understood where triathlons sit legally, as they don't fit the criteria for a road race (max 80 riders, and various other constraints) or a TT (no more than one rider per minute), and they can't claim the not-really-a-race sportive defence.
Just curious, as I know all the hoops we have to jump through to organise TTs and road races, and the situation in the video couldn't arise in either. A RR would probably be neutralised if the motorbike escort couldn't alert the rider in time, and a TT would be one rider per minute - no groups swarming by. Biggest risk would be a head down TT rider not looking where they're going.
For instance, how have you reacted in the past when your horse has been struck by a cyclist?
Fortunately not been involved in a bike/horse incident. Have you? Assuming yes. How did it go?
I have however been on a horse when a quad bike and car crashed into each other about 10 yards from me. Lots of tyre squeal under braking then a crunching in the impact followed by angry people shouting at each other. How did I behave? Gave me a hell of a fright but if you have been around horses enough you seem to instinctively go into what I can only describe as 'roll model' mode for the horse - calm, authoritative, clear.
Sorry to disappoint by actually being able to answer your question. Still, I'm sure you can conjure up a cliche amusing photo. It's a really effective method of making a point.
Thank you for your reply in describing a situation where you and your horse were not struck from behind.
Perhaps you can entertain us with other anecdotes that don't involve you and your horse getting struck from behind to further compound your arrogance.
Alternatively you could stop being such a victim blaming pompous arse and
get a **** grip !
<p class="story-body__introduction">A cyclist has been banned for life from a triathlon organiser's events after a horse and rider were hit as participants raced past them.</p>
Human Race events said a second cyclist had been handed a 12-month ban from their races following a investigation.
wonder if there'll be any wider bans for the rider from the governing body
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-44739096