[Closed] Hope Tech Enduro Tubeless - How Easy?

Can't compare mine to Stans as I went straight from Easton Havens.

Mine were as easy as the (tubeless) Havens - got the tape put on by LBS as part of the deal though.

quick reply cheers tops

yeah will come with tape and tubeless valves all setup, they will stick tyres on too but I want to do them myself to make sure they are do-able in an emergency with my track pump

current wheelset is a no-go with anything other than a compressor

I've got some and try as I might I couldn't get them to inflate ,with new maxxis hr2 3c tyres,I tried every trick in the book ,in the I put slime tubes in,I've got stans on my other 2 bikes & they w're easier,I've done about 50 miles in em so I mite try it again !.

Whose doing the best current deals btw ??.

Very easy. Taped them myself with SS 25mm tape and SS valves, Minion and HR tyres, went on and up first time with soapy water and a floor pump, stuck about 120ml Stans in, they've been fine from day one.

I had exactly the same quandary as you. Pushed the button on Hope Hoops with Flow EX rims only to be told they were no longer in stock and not being made. Couldn't justify the extra cost of getting them custom built over the Hope Techs.

Mine went straight up with a used Maxxis HR2 Exo 3C and a new Schwalbe HD Super Gravity. As above, 25mm Stans yellow tape applied myself, Stans valves, some Stans fluid, soapy water on the bead, inflate with track pump. The rear dropped a little pressure when left for a few days after the first few rides but has held pressure perfectly since.

Very happy with the wheels so far.

Cheers folks for the replies

my current wheelset is the only one ive ever failed with a track pump, nothing and I repeat nothing will fix this without a compressor

qtip - that's good news, shame id have gone with the flows for the extra width , but current ones are 23mm internal so im not losing anything the way I see it

sounds good will be with spesh tyres TR which were always a breeze on flows/crossmax so should be fine im sure then

Why would anyone buy these Hope/Alex rims rather than flow EX?
I'm struggling to see the benefit; just as expensive, narrower, heavier.

Im just in the process of getting some new 29er hope tech enduro's and fitting HD's but as its all part of my new upgrade the LBS will be getting them up tubeless for me as I can't be @rsed as I find it a pain 😕

Why would anyone buy these Hope/Alex rims rather than flow EX?
I'm struggling to see the benefit; just as expensive, narrower, heavier.

Just as expensive? Err, no - significantly cheaper now that you can't buy Flow EXs as Hope Hoops
Narrower? Yes, but 23mm ID instead of 25.4mm ID isn't too dramatic a difference
Heavier? Pretty much identical weight

Given that they're significantly cheaper, only slightly narrower, and the same weight (give or take a few grams), you might ask why would you buy the Flow EXs over the Hopes? To be fair, both wheel sets get fairly mixed reviews. For me the balance of the reviews meant that I thought the cost saving was worth it. Only real issue reported was detensioning of spokes, but I assume this would be the same if you bought a Hope Hoop with any other rim, plus it's easily fixed.

They aren't as strong as the flow ex. I know 2 people who have got dents all round the rims riding the same stuff that the flow ex was fine on

Just don't ask hope for a new rim as they will be charging £80 each!!

Oh BTW when I say as easy as my Havens I mean track pump easy 🙂

Only bought the hopes as my lbs gave me a cracking deal on them, so only time will tell once I've done ard'rock and a trip to the alps with them

Meh. I did lots of research before buying them and there are plenty reports of Flow EXs being made of cheese, plus plenty saying they are indestructible. Without the benefit of personal experience it's almost impossible to know these things for sure. The Hopes are relatively new, so real world reports are few and far between. As I said, no problems with mine so far. If they dent then they can be replaced with any other rim, so no biggy.

Given that they're significantly cheaper,

Just don't ask hope for a new rim as they will be charging £80 each!!

only slightly narrower

With this in mind, why wouldn't you buy Flow Ex? (if available, which they still are).

Mine have taken a fair bit of hammer mainly in the Lakes lately with no problems.

My mate got the XC versions at the same time - his have not fared so well having been dinged and requiring truing

But a new Flow EX rim is around £60, so not a massive difference there.

An extra 2.4mm ID may have some benefits, I just didn't believe they were enough to justify the price increase (for me).

And, I couldn't find anywhere with 26" Flow EX Hope Hoops in stock (many of those who reported stock were telling porkies) - but I may have missed somewhere - so there is a significant price difference.

Anyway, I'm not saying the Hope rims are as good as the Flow EXs - I suspect there's not much in it but have never used Flow EXs so cannot compare. What I am saying is that the choice of Flow EXs over Hopes isn't as clear cut as you're making it out to be, and that I think the Hopes are a good buy for the price. If I'd found Flow EXs for the same price as the Hope Techs then I would probably have gone for the Flows, but I couldn't.

Anyway, I'm not saying the Hope rims are as good as the Flow EXs

tbh wrecker as I said above if they hope hoops were available in 650b with flow ex (new style rims that have just been released with new graphics) I would have gone for them, given the same price extra width

but buying the hubs/spokes/rims separately then with the build/ tape /valves adaptors starts to come in at a serious amount of cash

the tech enduro's ive got a good price, setup tubeless with correct adaptors

as I said my current wheelset is a very good one (more expensive in fact), and the same width, so im not losing anything there, just merely getting a easier tubeless setup to run and hope hubs which are very easy to service at home

oh and the colour purple 😉

also ive offset the weight of my current wheelset which is circa 1750, by getting spesh tyres over maxxis which has save 200 grams just about, so the difference really then Is just 100gram weight which is literally having a piss before I set off 🙂

tbh wrecker as I said above if they hope hoops were available in 650b with flow ex

Older stickers but does it matter? It's just stickers.

Really pleased with my enduros which replaced some flows. I'm a heavy guy but they're still straight and true after quite a bit if use on all sorts of surfaces. They went up not problem tubeless with a compressor.

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tbh wrecker as I said above if they hope hoops were available in 650b with flow ex

http://www.rushcycles.co.uk/m50b0s482p4882/HOPE-Hope-Hoops-Pair-Pro-2-Evo-Hubs-on-Stans-Flow-Ex-rims
http://www.ubyk.co.uk/hope-pro-2-evo-flow-ex-275-wheelset/16668
http://www.hibike.com/shop/product/p4fe4afda6b93e0323cdd96ee4ac00a07/Hope-Pro-2-EVO-ZTR-Flow-EX-27-5-wheel-wheel-32h.html

Older stickers but does it matter? It's just stickers.

as far as I know they've made the newest one (new decals) stronger lighter and wider still over those ones listed, I would have gone down that route would it been possible as a hope hoops option

http://www.notubes.com/ZTR-Flow-EX-650b-32-Hole-Black-P971.aspx

edit : and also ive got my tech enduros' a fair bit cheaper than they would work out tubeless 🙂

edit : and also ive got my tech enduros' a fair bit cheaper than they would work out tubeless

dunno mate, it was more the 'they are stronger/lighter that swung it moreso

25mm is plenty anyways, as is 23mm tbh

the price ive got them all in for tubeless/valves/adaptors.... if they were built separately would be talking nearly 400quid on the new flow ex built by the lbs (assuming it wasn't a hope hoops set of course and manual build)

if the rims fail or similar, I can as someones said above always get new rims, I wanted to go back to hope hubs too and with the ease of use tubeless these sound spot on for the cash

I bought Enduro's as they were £299 at Ubyk, may still be the case and Flow Ex's were out of stock plus £50 more expensive total.

infact thinking about it I asked hope and they didn't have any 650b flow ex left in stock a month back or there abouts

so I wouldn't have been able to get them from the lbs anyways so the tech enduro's were the next best thing given they come with pro2's

Yeh was looking at getting some hope/tyde trace enduros built up but even that comes in at nearly £450 when you allow £60 for spokes and £70 (at least) for the wheel building.

yeah its a dear do, those hope hoops are a pretty good deal (guess it had to come to an end with stans eventually) in hindsight when you think the hubs are easily 200 quids worth, then the build/spokes/tapes/valves/adaptors blah blah make the hoops ace value

I guess hope just wanted a piece of the cake too, and decided to make their own instead of paying someone else for the rims

I guess hope just wanted a piece of the cake too, and decided to make their own instead of paying someone else for the rims

yeah I can see your point with the width, but I think mavics widest crossmax xl is still only 23mm? could be wrong, so its not underwhelming, my 23's still give a nice profile tyre, especially with maxxis HR2's

I totally understand why they've ditched stans though, and im sure going forward there will be another wider rim on the horizon, im not too bothered, as the weight is acceptable to me and the width also, if they were 19mm I wouldn't bother, but 23 is what I already have so its no worse, im just getting a hub id prefer out of choice and (touches wood) a much easier setup tubeless

does anyone know the external width of the hopes actually? the stans flow are 29 external I think

28mm

Interesting it's only a mm.... Cheers wrecker ive actually held the 26 we pair in my hand

And they feel light enough hand in hand to a crossmax tbh. Also worth noting the hopes as per usual do look classy, no stickers think its lazer etched in

OP, who said that Hope were stopping/stopped making Flow ex hoops? First i've heard about it.

Hope did

Asked on twitter, no 26 then.

Apologies for being an utter knob on your for sale post the other day !!!

ok well that was easy! impressive hope, very very impressive!

making tubeless a breeze, went up instantly with a track pump and only took about 3 big strokes and bang/pop it seated on both front and rear so wasn't a fluke!

what a joyous occasion that was, and whats more still brick hard this morning

that's easily as easy as ive ever done tubeless before

used one wrap of stans yellow tape and spesh roval tubeless valves

for anyone searching in the future 😉