thanks @honourablegeorge
ive ordered a triggy alpha remote - will sell the pnw shame as its damn good!
least i know 100% this one will with the hope adapters on tech 4 e4 thanks for all the help, i would have been mightly confused when it all arrvied and didnt fit
@honourablegeorge thanks, I've just got home to a small envelope with Hope mounts in and the new Hope mount looks identical to the existing so I'm expecting it to fit.
What don't you like about the OneUp lever out of curiosity? Same for you Dave?
It just feels like there's a lot of play in it, not a positive feel, it goes from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock with nothing happening. Just generally feels cheap and nasty compared to the bike yoke one.
@fathomer - i always felt it was incredibly stiff it didnt feel like it wanted to actuate without really pressing hard on it, i tried it on a few different droppers (fox,bikeyoke,one up) and all same, put a pnw/wolftooth on the smooth actuation was night and day difference! i dunno if i have a weak thumb but i honestly dont know how people use it
basically as above what honourablegeorge says
Fair enough, I really like mine 🙂
I thought my Wolftooth was a bit shit, I could never get it in the right place, was stuff to actuate and I snapped 2 of the plastic bushes they use to attach the lever! I learnt my lesson after the first and carried a spare.
I have today fitted some new Tech 4s, replacing my Tech 3s. Lever feels good/ solid so I think I'm lucky enough to not need a bleed. The pictures all made the lever look like a four-finger touring type, but it actually looks okay, certainly nothing like I was expecting.
I've fitted a new Wolftooth light action dropper remote to the left brake clamp. I bought the Shimano EV clamp version, and it bolted straight on - no need for an additional clamp. I actually bought the Shimano clamp but it's not actually needed. I had the regular Wolftooth lever on my Tech 3s and had to bore the hole out to make it fit, nothing like that this time.
The right hand Shimano EV clamp (11sp XT shifter) was a bit fiddly but went on okay. Won't get a ride in until Friday but expecting good things.
Just fitted mine today, hoses need shoertebing as they are a mess
Very nice in the flesh, easy setup etc
One thing, please tell me those brake pads don’t rattle like mad riding???? They are loose in the caliper and the spring moves all over the caliper too, even just bouncing the front end up and down it sounds bad!
Anyone whose ridden them please tell me they are quiet or these are gonna do my head In
Open the spring out. Think I’ve done that with every set of pads I’ve had to prevent the rattle
It’s like they are too small they literally move from one side to the other as far over as they can go
Bounce the front end they end up one side bounce it again they move to the other (whilst rattling)
I’ll take them out check it out
“ One thing, please tell me those brake pads don’t rattle like mad riding????”
Not noticed it with my E4 or V4 calipers and my bikes are pretty quiet.
It’s rattled badly round the back just pulling front wheel up and dropping it… sure it would be noticeable riding if they seem this loose?
I’ll take the pads out tomoz and try pry them apart more like above see if that helps
Are you sure that they aren’t just oscillating wildly? 😉
🤣🤣👏👏
Any more reviews from users of the old Tech3s?
I love everything about the Tech 3 E4s that have been on my main bike for many years now (with various other brands on my otherbikes).
Look cool. Feel ace. Been super reliable. Made nearby. Light-ish. Adjustable.
But the one niggle I've always, always had - they just don't have enough oomph!
Its sounding like the Tech4s might have been made for me...
I was going to ask in a similar vein, has anyone with Tech 3 E4s tried the new pad compound with Tech 3s?
First ride out on mine last night, and there is a marked improvement. Can’t confirm it’s the 30% hope claim but definitely felt more powerful. Could just be the pads having more bite (I’ve always used their organics as they have better feel) but I think it’s a little of all the changes combined. I’ve had two years on my Tech 3s riding the same trails and last night I found I was having to back off the brakes a little. Wasn’t expecting much difference to be honest, so pleasantly surprised.
I was going to ask in a similar vein, has anyone with Tech 3 E4s tried the new pad compound with Tech 3s?
Haven't seen the new pads available anywhere yet, I'm on v4 but haven't seen E4 either.
The pads aren’t actually new. Galfer have had them for years. https://www.rushcycles.co.uk/m63b0s674p9246/GALFER-Hope-Tech-3-Tech-4-E4-Race-Pro-Competition-Pads-%28green%29-FD465G1554T
I prefer the reds. The greens are a bit less predictable at times. The purples are meant to be good though and worth a try
Ahh, cool cheers. Might give them a go in my V4s.
I tried the purple pads briefly, didn't think that much of them - as they're design for ebikes they seemed a bit harder to get heat into.
Galfa greens are good, but they do wear quicker
Won't be an issue for me, my V4 pads are about half worn after 1500km...
I prefer Gorilla Enduro Pro to Galfer Green now.
Does anyone know if the easy bleed kit is the same on the tech 3 and new tech 4
They look similar and I’m sure have the same size reservoir top cap can anyone confirm please?
You'll need the tech 4 bleed cap - https://www.rushcycles.co.uk/m63b7s331p12388/HOPE-Tech-4-Bleed-Kit-Cap-HTT0019
Ah excellent spot I was just gonna buy the full tech 3 kit (as I don’t have one) so good spot may as well just get shop order me a full tech 4 kit
Had a look at the new brakes up in Fort Bill at the weekend. They are really lovely things. I've always been convinced that the levers look too long, but in reality they aren't that much longer than my Shimano ones. Had a little squeeze in the display bike at the Hope stand. They felt very nice.
They are certainly going to be a serious consideration when I need new brakes.
Tech 4 E4 users how much power do you think they have? Comparable to XT 4 pot? Or would I need the V4 caliper for that?
I Changed to Tech 4 E4 from XT 4 pot. After they bedded in, they feel a fair bit more powerful, but with tons of modulation. Much better in my opinion.
Tech 4 E4 users how much power do you think they have? Comparable to XT 4 pot? Or would I need the V4 caliper for that?
You'll get varying answers to this, purely down to how different hope and Shimano brakes feel.
Come straight off XT 4 pots onto any Hope brake and it'll feel like they have no power. They do, it's just it's not the same instant "all of the power, all at once" feel of XT brakes. With hope, the more you pull, the more power you get.
Tbh if you're on the fence, just get the V4 - the beauty of them is that they're not grabby so you can modulate the power as needed. The old tech 3 v4's were/are mighty powerful when set up correctly, so I can imagine the tech 4s are even better.
You’ll get varying answers to this, purely down to how different hope and Shimano brakes feel.
Come straight off XT 4 pots onto any Hope brake and it’ll feel like they have no power. They do, it’s just it’s not the same instant “all of the power, all at once” feel of XT brakes. With hope, the more you pull, the more power you get.
Tbh if you’re on the fence, just get the V4 – the beauty of them is that they’re not grabby so you can modulate the power as needed. The old tech 3 v4’s were/are mighty powerful when set up correctly, so I can imagine the tech 4s are even better.
I found the Tech 3 E4’s to be rather under powered personally the Shimano 4 pot are way more powerful even taking into account pulling the lever more. I hear the Tech 4 E4 has a very light lever feel so that sounds like it doesn’t have to be pulled so hard on this version.
Posted 16 minutes ago
Interesting podcast focusing on the tech 4 changes
https://www.hopetech.com/news/tech-4-brakes-ep122-blister-review-podcast/
The new stainless pistons require less maintenance than the phenolic pistons, which is nice...
And the new green pads are NOT galfer pads, interesting.
I'm keen to try the stainless pistons. (On my stainless bike 🙂 )
That was a good listen! Some very interesting tech info.
Review of them here
Agree about the greens wearing & squealing!
Also glad wasn't just me, had the air bubble under the cap that would migrate to caliper when upside down, I've bled hope brakes plenty but never had to redo it 3 times to get it right, maybe it's the longer reservoir?
https://off.road.cc/content/review/brakes/hope-tech-4-e4-brake-review-10103
I found the Tech4 unbelievably easy to bleed - but I am a reverse bleed fan.
Another Tech 4 user that has switched the green pads in favour of the standard organics. Even riding in the dry they made more noise than other pads I’ve had with Hope brakes. Weird. Great brakes though, love mine.
Can anyone tell me how effective the bite point adjustment on the Tech4 levers is please?
If you wind the BPA it as tight as possible, what's the minimum free stroke you can get in your lever, i.e. the number of millimetres that you must pull the lever before it starts biting?
Measured with fresh pads and discs 8-10mm
Can anyone tell me how effective the bite point adjustment on the Tech4 levers is please?
Can't give you measurements, but the BPA definitely does a good job. Unlike some other brands, it actually moves the leaver, thus pushing the piston on the master cylinder. I've managed to get the stroke on mine quite short, and still be able to adjust over the the lifetime of as set of pads, to keep the throw the same front and rear, despite the difference in wear rate.
Measured with fresh pads and discs 8-10mm
Thank you for taking the time to measure, that's really encouraging. Have you ridden them with the fresh pads and discs or is this immediately post-install? I only ask because I tend to find that the bite point "relaxes" out slightly after a few rides.
Can’t give you measurements, but the BPA definitely does a good job. Unlike some other brands, it actually moves the leaver, thus pushing the piston on the master cylinder. I’ve managed to get the stroke on mine quite short, and still be able to adjust over the the lifetime of as set of pads, to keep the throw the same front and rear, despite the difference in wear rate.
Also very encouraging! The best I can maintain on my brakes is about 20mm and it just doesn't feel sharp enough for my liking. (I know I'm being fussy 😅)
apparently trickstiff make the green pads
https://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/disc-brakes-products/hope-tech-4-e4-brakes-review
I only had a short ride on the road to start bedding them in and get a feel for them. Not much bedding in required with the green pads. They felt quite sharp immediately. Looking forward to testing them properly this week.
I've had mine a while now, including a a long weekend in the Tweed Valley, a week in the Alps, the Ard Rock over the weekend and numerous Peak District rides. Their fantastic, so much so they make the Tech 3's on my hardtail feel a bit shit!
When they're easier to get hold of, lead time coming down all the time and should be normal by Christmas according to Hope, I'll be getting another set!
